So, if by chance this film was finished with no incident and ended up a commercial or critical success, would Alec Baldwin, THE PRODUCER!, claim he has nothing to do with it, no responsibility, it was someone else? Personally, I think he would take credit as the mastermind or genius "who assembled this great team of artists!" He can't have it both ways!
Maybe if he actually took a gun safety course, rule one is always treat a gun as if it is loaded with live rounds. If someone loaded it for you never assume
Anyone notice how even his extended family (Ireland, 4 brothers, niece Hailey, Chyna Phillips, etc.) has been mum and not defended him??That must really hurt, although who could blame them??
So the PRODUCER is suing the people he hired for following the instructions he, as a producer, should have made more clear just because he pulled the trigger and killed someone.
Gaslighting at its finest. Like the woman whose husband was sentenced to 10 years in prison for stealing $100m also blames “the people that ratted him out” in a plea bargain instead of blaming her own husband for racketeering, money laundering, wire fraud, etc. (true story based on some disgusting people I know).
Absolutely. And I’m glad he’s arrogant enough to want to spend money that he doesn’t have on lawyers fees to prove a point. Looking forward to him crashing and burning. Again.
10 days before this shooting I was an extra on set with John Travolta. This was also a low budget production but this is the gun safety protocol I experienced:
And if the Alec had the same kind of instructions and protocol about gun safety in place on his movie as he does with his nanny applications and NDA's, we wouldn't be dreaming of even having this conversation most likely.
I read somewhere that the guy who shot the gun that killed Brandon Lee on set of crow left acting for 1 year because he was so distraught over what had happened, immediately thought of Alec and how this man does not seem the slightest bit distraught still living his life like he would on any other day of this had not happened.
He never really recovered from it either. At the time of his death in 2016 he still had nightmares, 20+ years ago. It's like he truly understood the gravity of what happened regardless of his intent. Alec is just completely soulless which is why they're perfect for each other. Not a single combined soul.
"The actor said that the gun went off accidentally and that he did not pull the trigger. However, a recent FBI forensic report found the weapon could not have fired unless the trigger was pulled."
I wonder if Alec's character had been using the gun to play Russian roulette in the movie, whether he'd have been so quick to trust that the gun was unloaded...
he was cutting safety corners to be cheaper and cut the budget down/ rumors it was already going around about the lack of safety on set how things weren't done to how they were supposed to be also why did he need a real gun anyway there's CGI now or doesn't he know that they could've added the sound effects later used a toy gun that didn't fire any bullets idiot did the damage himself is just trying to off the blame guilt onto the others on set shallow and sad just accept you took a life by cutting corners for greed idiot id have rather gone over my budget to do things right than risk my cast and crew s lives but i have empathy
Oh, fuck him. Why doesn’t he man up for once? He stays acting like the world is less intelligent than he is. Take responsibility for your actions, Alec. It’s a sign of maturity that you and your wife both lack.
as someone who works in the film industry, I’ve always said that he’s not to blame as an actor. he IS at fault as a shitty, bottom of the barrel, cheap ass producer.
Alec refused several requests - emails - through his assistant to take more gun safety classes including one for the difficult cross draw he was performing in that scene. Which they did not call the armorer for, and script does not call for him to point gun at camera. Problematic.
I thought the actor had a responsibility to check the weapon they were handed to double check that it wasn't loaded. Being told by someone, who obviously didn't check it themselves, that it was a cold gun doesn't seem like enough.
I am not in movie production but in utility construction which has many parallels. We have at least four differently subcontracted safety people watching when the powerline guys lift heavy loads with a crane overhead under energized powerlines (third parties with different interests). Everything is planned and announced ahead of time. We have multiple meetings (tailboards) any time any plans change on the ground. I am astonished these Rust guys didn't have a morning tailboard and after lunch when working with loaded weapons. It definitely is financial but at a minimum Hannah Gutierrez should have been having twice daily safety tailboards with daily sign in sheet, going over job hazards, gun rules and expectations, environmental hazards (snakes in the desert, hydration, work plan for the day, nearest hospital with emergency plan) and repeat it ad nauseum twice a day. In short, they suck.
Yep! I worked production for many years. I can say that anytime a serious injury has occurred it was ALWAYS on the cheap ass, low budget productions. There is a 100% direct correlation between safety practices and budget.
I've always thought this would be a great basis for a Law & Order episode: you start investigating the actor who shot the gun, realize it wasn't his fault because he was just following orders, then keep going up through the chain of command to figure out who was ultimately responsible, ending at the executive producer.... who happens to be the same person as the actor.
He was the executive producer. He was ultimately responsible for overseeing and enforcing safety protocols, such as insisting that the actor must independently check any weapons before doing a scene, which is standard on most film sets.
Now children, escuchame, por favor. Es very importante. Daddy es muy inteligente! He wants to show todo el mundo that he is señor smarty pants . Pero, we know he did what people in THIS country call Career Suicide or political suicide. Fuck ya poop! This means we are screwed. No more plastic toys for you.
This is probably a legal strategy. If any of the people he is suing testify against him in the criminal trial, discovery obtained in the civil proceedings can be used against them to challenge their credibility in cross examination… or something like that. Lol. I’ve never practiced criminal law, so just going off my memory from law school.
It is, but it’s more likely the result of Alec’s insurers insisting he seek indemnification from his co-defendants. We’d have to take the time to see where all the different suits are filed, but I would expect all the claims, cross-claims, and interpleaders to get consolidated into one suit before the same court — at least as to all the producers and production companies suing each other. I doubt the personal injury claims would be consolidated together; it depends on how the court views the “transactions” giving rise to their injuries. There may be a lot of jurisdictional wrangling before they get to discovery and start the substantive motion practice.
Isn’t that what the 5th Amendment protects them from though? That they can plead the 5th in a civil case if there is potential for criminal proceedings against them?
I definitely think this offensive move was aimed at shaping whether or not he's able to be prosecuted, or the likelihood of him being seen as innocent.
Wow! The big screen actor playing victim. PerpPaw is pissed off he’s gotten fired or passed up for roles and he wants revenge. He just doesn’t understand that the consequences for having no remorse for killing 1/injuring another is grounds for getting canceled. He just doesn’t understand it, can’t comprehend it. He should be kicked out of the guild.
Larry the liar, his non Spanish wife, helped his career circle the drain. Arrogant Ass Alec doubling down on his wife’s lies helped. After Killing Halyna, blaming everyone on his set didn’t help. Rambling about dead people on Instagram made him sound unhinged. Having 73 children drove him into a stressed out, angry, doddering, old irrelevant idiot. No one cares about sick twisted old guys who fight with the world. Stfu, Alexander. Consider the source. Consider the source.
Thanks for posting. It makes it even worse that it’s got nothing to do with Halyna or safety or even mental anguish over killing her and more to do with him being passed over for roles and associated with the debacle. Like AB is an A-list leading man.
All issues of responsibility aside, there is usually no point in suing people that don't have any money.... maybe he somehow believes a judgment in his favor in this case would help him fight criminal charges? (even though that's really unlikely).... or I guess there could be some insurance issue going on where he needs to legally dump responsibility on someone other than himself in order for his company to pay out.
Sure fire way to elicit sympathy, Baldwin. Just had to take take that knife and stick it into Matt one more time. YOU were the one holding the purse strings. YOU had the keys to the car. YOU fired the gun. If someone gave you something of unknown origin to eat, pretty certain you’d ask what’s in it before eating it. The buck stops with YOU. FFS, the crew had walked off prior to you killing Halyna.
I agree with this. I know everyone hates him on here, and he is obviously not a good human being. But the armouror but a real bullet where there should be a fake one resulting in a death. It’s pretty clear cut.
Doesn’t Alec own the production company? If so, he is essentially responsible for hiring the people he is now trying to sue. At the end of the day, liability/negligence still rests with him. He had a responsibility to ensure a safe movie set and the hiring of experienced professionals, and now he wants to play dumb. I hope this suit gets thrown out.
Yes, he did shoot the gun, but as the actor in those moments, he should not have been handed a loaded gun. He has every right to sue the armorer, etc. That gun should have been checked and REchecked AND there never should have been live bullets on the set period. Why were there live bullets in the box of dummies/blanks? Why was the gun loaded AT ALL if it wasn't even an acting/scene rehearsal?
No, no, no. That’s not how it works. It doesn’t matter if you’re the actor or not. If you’re the one shooting it — whether you’re a stunt person, an actor,or anything else for that matter, you always 👏🏼 check 👏🏼 the 👏🏼 gun 👏🏼 It doesn’t matter if you’re told it’s cold by 3 different people, you check it yourself. Period.
I hear ya' Jack ... but never point the gun at a person ... and the script did not call for a gun ... and he didn't train....Anyone can sue ... but Alec Baldwin was dumb and distracted at the time of the incident, IMO. He was negligent.
But he should not have pointed the gun at anyone and the rule is to always check to see if a gun is loaded even if the person handing it off says it’s not.
Yes, the armorer is grossly negligent. That goes without saying. However…. Why is a 20 something year old kid being hired for such a responsible role, though? The corner cutting higher ups and executives are also responsible. One view of that police interrogation tells you that anyone with any sense could see that girl was not an appropriate armorer.
I read that a loaded movie set gun doesn’t mean a loaded gun like we think of them, but it still has explosive power and needs to be handled very, very carefully and is usually only loaded for the actual filming, not rehearsal like what happened here. So yeah, I agree - a lawsuit is appropriate IMO.
I’m gonna be the devil’s advocate here as I’m an experienced film professional and have been safety captain on sets since I was in film school. The kind of producer credit Alec has is probably not hands on during production - he probably only helped secure funding. When he was in front of the camera, he was an actor. An actor handed a loaded gun by an inexperienced armorer that I’m 100% certain he had no hand in hiring. Lowkey, he probably has a case here. I’m def not a fan of the Baldwins (I mean, I read this sub daily lol) but at what point is there some empathy for the fact he has to live with the horror of having killed someone for the rest of his life while he was doing his job? I’m sure I’ll get downvoted into oblivion for saying this lol
The armourer didn't hand him the gun. In his first interviews after the shooting he said she did and that that was the proper procedure, but later he changed that and said the AD handed him the gun. The armourer was not called back into the church set when they started using the gun.
Alec ignored and did not attend the mandatory gun training for this particular real western era gun. He had no business pulling the trigger which wasn’t on the script at all. The rehearsal that resulted in death wasn’t even scheduled. He wasn’t supposed to grab the gun which wasn’t officially cleared or checked. The armorer wasn’t there to hand it to him, as per protocol. She wasn’t there only because the rehearsal wasn’t scheduled and Alec wanted to practice that scene and a gun draw but was too arrogant and dumb to properly follow all the protocols. The whole crew was complaining about him before the incident, that’s why they sued him right away after the shooting.
You’re correct about what his producer credit likely entailed. However, I’ve never heard of an actor not checking a gun once it’s in their hands as well…regardless, of what the armorer says (or, in the case, it was NOT the armorer, but the AD, David Halls). In fact, multiple A-list actors said as much in the days following the accident, when asked their thoughts on what had happened. Because, at the end of the day, it’s the actor who’s shooting the gun, no one else — so the buck stops with them.
Why were there unsecured guns on the set just lying on a table? Who put a live round in one (or more) of them? What's the total story about crew members using the guns to shoot cans during down time? This all leads back to a set rampant with negligence and who's fault is that? The Producers -- all of them. I'm so sick of sycophants and hangers-on and big name actors getting producing credit when they "don't really do anything." Hey -- if you're going to take the credit, you get the responsibility also.
He was NOT handed a gun by an inexperienced armorer. He lied to the interrogators saying Hannah the armorer (“that word is new to me”) handed him the gun. She wasn’t on set. He didn’t attend cross draw training. David Hall’s took one of three guns off the cart (not locked but out in the open) and handed it to PerpPaw and called it a cold gun without inspecting the chambers. Had Hannah been there, she would have demonstrated for cast and crew that the gun chambers were either empty or loaded with dummies. She would also have advised PerpPaw to keep his finger outside of the trigger guard and not point the weapon at anyone.
But he was a producer, right? So he had responsibility, generally speaking, on who was hired for this film, right? So he’s suing the incompetent armorer/crew that he’s responsible for being there in the first place. He’s dodging responsibility as the person with their finger on the trigger, who failed to follow very basic gun safety, AND he’s dodging responsibility for being the person that put inexperienced crew in place.
She absolutely does but it isn’t uncommon for the ultimate responsibility to lie with higher ups or those who failed to vet the person. If, for example, someone is an unqualified or inexperienced surgeon and makes a surgical error sure you can go after them but the ultimate responsibility is going to lie with hospitals, licensing boards, and corporations.
Also, staff that were senior to the armorer taking the guns for target practice. It sounds like the set was a frat house and they picked an armorer that’s would be easy to manipulate and work for peanuts
Exactly...he ignored many people protesting the safety that had left that very morning or day before...A VET actor that has been in many films with guns...ya should had followed protocol like George Clooney....
The competent and experienced armorer who turned down the job said it was a job for three people. He said the film had so much use of guns that he would need two other people to do the job properly.
I feel bad for her cuz she was dealing with props & they did not call her to set....Also, only few people were allowed due to Covid laws....wrecking a young girls life when she just wanted a career....unless there is something she did we don't know...Dave Hall def should be punished
Good lord. The sheer nerve
as rodrick said in diary of a wimpy kid: deny, deny, deny
I think Alec is trying to keep the focus on the loaded gun and AWAY from the fact nobody is ever supposed to point a gun at another person on set.
i hate him but they should have ALL checked.
Exactly. There’s no point in Alec suing anyone. Everyone on the set of that movie is at fault and needs to be held accountable.
So, if by chance this film was finished with no incident and ended up a commercial or critical success, would Alec Baldwin, THE PRODUCER!, claim he has nothing to do with it, no responsibility, it was someone else? Personally, I think he would take credit as the mastermind or genius "who assembled this great team of artists!" He can't have it both ways!
(I’m reposting this for those who may have missed it)
Halyna Hutchins’s husband is now working on the film as an executive producer. He’s obviously over it.
¿Halyna? ¿Quien?
I must add, true story. I now live in El Paso From PA and must add the word for Ignorant
This is totally going to blow up in his face and I will have my popcorn ready
Maybe if he actually took a gun safety course, rule one is always treat a gun as if it is loaded with live rounds. If someone loaded it for you never assume
What a fucking piece of garbage
The best defense is a good offense.
Anyone notice how even his extended family (Ireland, 4 brothers, niece Hailey, Chyna Phillips, etc.) has been mum and not defended him??That must really hurt, although who could blame them??
Alec Baldwin should be serving time for killing Halyna Hutchins, not deflecting blame. He was the producer; any performance issues on set are on him!!
¿Halyna? ¿Quien?
So the PRODUCER is suing the people he hired for following the instructions he, as a producer, should have made more clear just because he pulled the trigger and killed someone.
He is pathetic, killer and getting older everyday looking bad old man
Gaslighting at its finest. Like the woman whose husband was sentenced to 10 years in prison for stealing $100m also blames “the people that ratted him out” in a plea bargain instead of blaming her own husband for racketeering, money laundering, wire fraud, etc. (true story based on some disgusting people I know).
He should sue the producer!
😉😆
You're going to get nowhere, reckless murderer. And when you lose your case, may you pay all of their lawyers' fees.
Absolutely. And I’m glad he’s arrogant enough to want to spend money that he doesn’t have on lawyers fees to prove a point. Looking forward to him crashing and burning. Again.
Gutsy move AB. On brand for the Baldwins
Good luck on this, you murdering asshole.
Everyone should file a lawsuit for looking at him when his face was so darn puffy because of "altitude".
Emotional distress 💯
Bingo!
10 days before this shooting I was an extra on set with John Travolta. This was also a low budget production but this is the gun safety protocol I experienced:
This is so awesome, so much respect shown for everyone on set.
Do you know if this is new protocol due to what happened on Rust or has this always been in place, just curious.
9. Announced that guns would not be pointed at ANYONE at any time.
Thank you for this info!! That's awesome to hear there are (normally) no chances taken on set when it comes to guns. Fuck Alec Baldwin.
And if the Alec had the same kind of instructions and protocol about gun safety in place on his movie as he does with his nanny applications and NDA's, we wouldn't be dreaming of even having this conversation most likely.
Wow. This is awesome 👏🏼 .
Thank you for sharing. This was really interesting to hear.
I read somewhere that the guy who shot the gun that killed Brandon Lee on set of crow left acting for 1 year because he was so distraught over what had happened, immediately thought of Alec and how this man does not seem the slightest bit distraught still living his life like he would on any other day of this had not happened.
Hell Alec went and posted a picture 1 year later on his IG of the person he killed and just wrote 1 year ago. Not I'm sorry or anything. He is a P.O.S
He never really recovered from it either. At the time of his death in 2016 he still had nightmares, 20+ years ago. It's like he truly understood the gravity of what happened regardless of his intent. Alec is just completely soulless which is why they're perfect for each other. Not a single combined soul.
Selfish scumbag that blamed everyone, but his self
Exactly. He hasn’t skipped a beat. Heartless bastard.
So does this mean they have put in an order for a new baby? A new prop for good appearance?
I’m sure the new baby is in the oven, already.
Pay PR Daily mail, etc
I utterly despise him right now.
"The actor said that the gun went off accidentally and that he did not pull the trigger. However, a recent FBI forensic report found the weapon could not have fired unless the trigger was pulled."
Exactly. Doesn't matter if it wAS loaded or not. Why you pulling a trigger on a gun POINTED AT SOMEONE 😵
Alec reacting to finding out Halyna has passed away
He's such a horrible actor. Phony to the bone.
body cam footage reaction of armourer after fatal shooting
She was way in over her head, but Baldwin could get her cheap and have her do two jobs instead of the most important one......keeping people safe.
[удалено]
I wonder if Alec's character had been using the gun to play Russian roulette in the movie, whether he'd have been so quick to trust that the gun was unloaded...
he was cutting safety corners to be cheaper and cut the budget down/ rumors it was already going around about the lack of safety on set how things weren't done to how they were supposed to be also why did he need a real gun anyway there's CGI now or doesn't he know that they could've added the sound effects later used a toy gun that didn't fire any bullets idiot did the damage himself is just trying to off the blame guilt onto the others on set shallow and sad just accept you took a life by cutting corners for greed idiot id have rather gone over my budget to do things right than risk my cast and crew s lives but i have empathy
Oh, fuck him. Why doesn’t he man up for once? He stays acting like the world is less intelligent than he is. Take responsibility for your actions, Alec. It’s a sign of maturity that you and your wife both lack.
He can't man up because he's not a man.
Hi fellow Bostonian! I have the curse too. I don't pronounce my Rs and oddly enough I add R where it doesn't belong "soder" instead of "soda" lol.
So, who will answer to making the armorer do more than one job and explain why her doing other jobs was more important than handling the firearms?
He is a trashy, trashy person.
as someone who works in the film industry, I’ve always said that he’s not to blame as an actor. he IS at fault as a shitty, bottom of the barrel, cheap ass producer.
Alec refused several requests - emails - through his assistant to take more gun safety classes including one for the difficult cross draw he was performing in that scene. Which they did not call the armorer for, and script does not call for him to point gun at camera. Problematic.
I thought the actor had a responsibility to check the weapon they were handed to double check that it wasn't loaded. Being told by someone, who obviously didn't check it themselves, that it was a cold gun doesn't seem like enough.
I am not in movie production but in utility construction which has many parallels. We have at least four differently subcontracted safety people watching when the powerline guys lift heavy loads with a crane overhead under energized powerlines (third parties with different interests). Everything is planned and announced ahead of time. We have multiple meetings (tailboards) any time any plans change on the ground. I am astonished these Rust guys didn't have a morning tailboard and after lunch when working with loaded weapons. It definitely is financial but at a minimum Hannah Gutierrez should have been having twice daily safety tailboards with daily sign in sheet, going over job hazards, gun rules and expectations, environmental hazards (snakes in the desert, hydration, work plan for the day, nearest hospital with emergency plan) and repeat it ad nauseum twice a day. In short, they suck.
Yep! I worked production for many years. I can say that anytime a serious injury has occurred it was ALWAYS on the cheap ass, low budget productions. There is a 100% direct correlation between safety practices and budget.
I've always thought this would be a great basis for a Law & Order episode: you start investigating the actor who shot the gun, realize it wasn't his fault because he was just following orders, then keep going up through the chain of command to figure out who was ultimately responsible, ending at the executive producer.... who happens to be the same person as the actor.
Ooh. I hope the defendants' lawyers go for discovery and expose the contents of his cellphone records and texts. Juicy.
He should win.
He was the executive producer. He was ultimately responsible for overseeing and enforcing safety protocols, such as insisting that the actor must independently check any weapons before doing a scene, which is standard on most film sets.
The people he hired as a producer….not much chance of success
Ahh deflecting as always … can’t own his shit. It’s always someone else’s fault boo effing hoo
He’s a dirty rotten little pig
Perhaps the real issue is that Alec aimed the gun at another person on set, not whether or not the gun was loaded.
I am sure the way the aftermath unfolded would be quite different if he had been drug and alcohol tested.
He just wants money (See how that works, Baldwin.)
crazy cuz there is NO way she has any at her age so whats the point?
Didn’t he bitch about people suing him and all they wanted was money… or something like that?? Pot meet kettle
Do all these people have to work together again? Who are they bringing back, just Alec it seems.
Are you fucking kidding me!
“In a move that risks backfiring on Baldwin…” I mean for the love of paella it’s about time.
I hope they found some damning info in his phone.
Now children, escuchame, por favor. Es very importante. Daddy es muy inteligente! He wants to show todo el mundo that he is señor smarty pants . Pero, we know he did what people in THIS country call Career Suicide or political suicide. Fuck ya poop! This means we are screwed. No more plastic toys for you.
Say it with me, THE.GUN.DID.NOT.FIRE.ITSSELF. That is all
What a douche canoe!
Douche canoe ?
Whatever.
Yet another reason why filming shouldn't be ressumed on this tainted piece of shit film that I doubt anybody wants to see, even in morbid curiousity.
Imagine it happened again!!
I really hate this guy..
Practically the whole world does, lol
This is probably a legal strategy. If any of the people he is suing testify against him in the criminal trial, discovery obtained in the civil proceedings can be used against them to challenge their credibility in cross examination… or something like that. Lol. I’ve never practiced criminal law, so just going off my memory from law school.
It is, but it’s more likely the result of Alec’s insurers insisting he seek indemnification from his co-defendants. We’d have to take the time to see where all the different suits are filed, but I would expect all the claims, cross-claims, and interpleaders to get consolidated into one suit before the same court — at least as to all the producers and production companies suing each other. I doubt the personal injury claims would be consolidated together; it depends on how the court views the “transactions” giving rise to their injuries. There may be a lot of jurisdictional wrangling before they get to discovery and start the substantive motion practice.
Isn’t that what the 5th Amendment protects them from though? That they can plead the 5th in a civil case if there is potential for criminal proceedings against them?
I have watched Judge Judy and I believe you are correct.
I definitely think this offensive move was aimed at shaping whether or not he's able to be prosecuted, or the likelihood of him being seen as innocent.
Assuming he is charged, of course. This civil suit makes me think that is a strong possibility.
Of course he did! 🤮
https://deadline.com/2022/11/alec-baldwin-lawsuit-rust-film-shooting-cross-complaint-suffering-1235170586/amp/
Wow! The big screen actor playing victim. PerpPaw is pissed off he’s gotten fired or passed up for roles and he wants revenge. He just doesn’t understand that the consequences for having no remorse for killing 1/injuring another is grounds for getting canceled. He just doesn’t understand it, can’t comprehend it. He should be kicked out of the guild.
Larry the liar, his non Spanish wife, helped his career circle the drain. Arrogant Ass Alec doubling down on his wife’s lies helped. After Killing Halyna, blaming everyone on his set didn’t help. Rambling about dead people on Instagram made him sound unhinged. Having 73 children drove him into a stressed out, angry, doddering, old irrelevant idiot. No one cares about sick twisted old guys who fight with the world. Stfu, Alexander. Consider the source. Consider the source.
Thanks for posting. It makes it even worse that it’s got nothing to do with Halyna or safety or even mental anguish over killing her and more to do with him being passed over for roles and associated with the debacle. Like AB is an A-list leading man.
He and big Larry are always victims 🤡🤡
I saw this from day one. $$$$ = not responsible, no $$$$ = scapegoat!
Always passing the buck🤡💀what a fucking bloated sack of shit.
This fuckwit Baldwin.
The nerve of that asshole.
He's a perpetual victim
All issues of responsibility aside, there is usually no point in suing people that don't have any money.... maybe he somehow believes a judgment in his favor in this case would help him fight criminal charges? (even though that's really unlikely).... or I guess there could be some insurance issue going on where he needs to legally dump responsibility on someone other than himself in order for his company to pay out.
This is a personal lawsuit he’s launching, correct? His insurance company also suing?
I've got to get this off my chest- he is a piece of shit!!! He is a disgusting pig 🐽
A rude, thoughtless little pig?
Sure fire way to elicit sympathy, Baldwin. Just had to take take that knife and stick it into Matt one more time. YOU were the one holding the purse strings. YOU had the keys to the car. YOU fired the gun. If someone gave you something of unknown origin to eat, pretty certain you’d ask what’s in it before eating it. The buck stops with YOU. FFS, the crew had walked off prior to you killing Halyna.
Good aim? That was not nice of me. Nice point.
I need to know how much his legal bill is per month. It must be HUGE.
I want to know how much the settlement was and what their finances look like
Lol, the armorer was 24 years old. She probably has about 50 bucks to her name.
And I believe this was her second job as an armorer. Doubt she has a lot of money.
Quick Draw McPaw
Quick Draw PeePaw
He is still a killer.
PeePaw should go do some more push ups in the hallway .. what an asshole
Say what you will, the armourer failed at her job
She was an armourer.
I agree with this. I know everyone hates him on here, and he is obviously not a good human being. But the armouror but a real bullet where there should be a fake one resulting in a death. It’s pretty clear cut.
She absolutely did
Holy shit.
Sounds like a tax scheme.
Unfuckingbelievable
This here is start we call a douche canoe folks. What an idiot.
One pepino predicted this I think.
Can they just lock up this desperate fool already?! 😩
Never, ever Sue people with little or no money
Lol. The Public Intellectual does not want his personal life examined by the courts and I suspect a few things will come out if he pursues this.
Somebody has hit the bottom of the barrel!
Him and Larry always find a way to go lower. It’s their talent.
Also the bottom of a bottle or two
The Screen Actors Guild’s written rules on safety in film and television make clear that actors should never point a firearm at anyone.
Yep. Why are people defending him?! Ugh. Ugh. Ugh. !!!!!
This!
Thank you
Both he and the armorer should be kicked out.
He should be kicked out of the guild
Does he really want to go through discovery for this? Can't imagine he has nothing to hide.
ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?!?!
Douchebag extraordinaire.
This guy just doesn't stop entertaining.
Truly entertaining to all cultures
Doesn’t Alec own the production company? If so, he is essentially responsible for hiring the people he is now trying to sue. At the end of the day, liability/negligence still rests with him. He had a responsibility to ensure a safe movie set and the hiring of experienced professionals, and now he wants to play dumb. I hope this suit gets thrown out.
He might have opened a can of worms really
Exactly.
I wonder if charges are coming soon. Maybe he's trying to get a jump on what the DA is going to announce.
My guess is that he is now trying to delay the inevitable whilst big Larry has another baby
Yes, he did shoot the gun, but as the actor in those moments, he should not have been handed a loaded gun. He has every right to sue the armorer, etc. That gun should have been checked and REchecked AND there never should have been live bullets on the set period. Why were there live bullets in the box of dummies/blanks? Why was the gun loaded AT ALL if it wasn't even an acting/scene rehearsal?
Question: would you point a gun to your own head and NOT check it?
No, no, no. That’s not how it works. It doesn’t matter if you’re the actor or not. If you’re the one shooting it — whether you’re a stunt person, an actor,or anything else for that matter, you always 👏🏼 check 👏🏼 the 👏🏼 gun 👏🏼 It doesn’t matter if you’re told it’s cold by 3 different people, you check it yourself. Period.
I hear ya' Jack ... but never point the gun at a person ... and the script did not call for a gun ... and he didn't train....Anyone can sue ... but Alec Baldwin was dumb and distracted at the time of the incident, IMO. He was negligent.
But he should not have pointed the gun at anyone and the rule is to always check to see if a gun is loaded even if the person handing it off says it’s not.
Yes, the armorer is grossly negligent. That goes without saying. However…. Why is a 20 something year old kid being hired for such a responsible role, though? The corner cutting higher ups and executives are also responsible. One view of that police interrogation tells you that anyone with any sense could see that girl was not an appropriate armorer.
I read that a loaded movie set gun doesn’t mean a loaded gun like we think of them, but it still has explosive power and needs to be handled very, very carefully and is usually only loaded for the actual filming, not rehearsal like what happened here. So yeah, I agree - a lawsuit is appropriate IMO.
What an ass PerpPaw is.
I’m gonna be the devil’s advocate here as I’m an experienced film professional and have been safety captain on sets since I was in film school. The kind of producer credit Alec has is probably not hands on during production - he probably only helped secure funding. When he was in front of the camera, he was an actor. An actor handed a loaded gun by an inexperienced armorer that I’m 100% certain he had no hand in hiring. Lowkey, he probably has a case here. I’m def not a fan of the Baldwins (I mean, I read this sub daily lol) but at what point is there some empathy for the fact he has to live with the horror of having killed someone for the rest of his life while he was doing his job? I’m sure I’ll get downvoted into oblivion for saying this lol
The armourer didn't hand him the gun. In his first interviews after the shooting he said she did and that that was the proper procedure, but later he changed that and said the AD handed him the gun. The armourer was not called back into the church set when they started using the gun.
Alec ignored and did not attend the mandatory gun training for this particular real western era gun. He had no business pulling the trigger which wasn’t on the script at all. The rehearsal that resulted in death wasn’t even scheduled. He wasn’t supposed to grab the gun which wasn’t officially cleared or checked. The armorer wasn’t there to hand it to him, as per protocol. She wasn’t there only because the rehearsal wasn’t scheduled and Alec wanted to practice that scene and a gun draw but was too arrogant and dumb to properly follow all the protocols. The whole crew was complaining about him before the incident, that’s why they sued him right away after the shooting.
secondopinion: the armorer did not hand him the gun. She was off doing her "2nd" on set job. David Halls handed him the gun, an assistant director.
The armorer didn’t give him the gun. Halls (the AD?) did. But my question is shouldn’t Alec have checked the gun no matter who gave it to him?
You’re correct about what his producer credit likely entailed. However, I’ve never heard of an actor not checking a gun once it’s in their hands as well…regardless, of what the armorer says (or, in the case, it was NOT the armorer, but the AD, David Halls). In fact, multiple A-list actors said as much in the days following the accident, when asked their thoughts on what had happened. Because, at the end of the day, it’s the actor who’s shooting the gun, no one else — so the buck stops with them.
I agree with you totally. Baldwin is obviously not a good human being but this was not his fault here. It’s a horrible accident.
Why were there unsecured guns on the set just lying on a table? Who put a live round in one (or more) of them? What's the total story about crew members using the guns to shoot cans during down time? This all leads back to a set rampant with negligence and who's fault is that? The Producers -- all of them. I'm so sick of sycophants and hangers-on and big name actors getting producing credit when they "don't really do anything." Hey -- if you're going to take the credit, you get the responsibility also.
He was NOT handed a gun by an inexperienced armorer. He lied to the interrogators saying Hannah the armorer (“that word is new to me”) handed him the gun. She wasn’t on set. He didn’t attend cross draw training. David Hall’s took one of three guns off the cart (not locked but out in the open) and handed it to PerpPaw and called it a cold gun without inspecting the chambers. Had Hannah been there, she would have demonstrated for cast and crew that the gun chambers were either empty or loaded with dummies. She would also have advised PerpPaw to keep his finger outside of the trigger guard and not point the weapon at anyone.
Healthy discourse makes things more interesting! Based on your expertise, who would have hired the armorer?
Does he really want to open that can of worms for himself?
He’s a prima donna.
But he was a producer, right? So he had responsibility, generally speaking, on who was hired for this film, right? So he’s suing the incompetent armorer/crew that he’s responsible for being there in the first place. He’s dodging responsibility as the person with their finger on the trigger, who failed to follow very basic gun safety, AND he’s dodging responsibility for being the person that put inexperienced crew in place.
So nobody here thinks the armorer has any accountability?
She is the one who didn't notice SHE was loading a LIVE ROUND into the gun, not a "dummy" bullet. So yes, she does indeed bear responsibility
She wasn’t there. They started without her. Cuz time is money and as a producer, PerpPaw can’t stand wasting money.
She absolutely does but it isn’t uncommon for the ultimate responsibility to lie with higher ups or those who failed to vet the person. If, for example, someone is an unqualified or inexperienced surgeon and makes a surgical error sure you can go after them but the ultimate responsibility is going to lie with hospitals, licensing boards, and corporations.
He was the producer of the movie.
He declined the additional gun training the armorer tried to schedule with him.
Also, staff that were senior to the armorer taking the guns for target practice. It sounds like the set was a frat house and they picked an armorer that’s would be easy to manipulate and work for peanuts
Thank you. 👏👏👏👏FYP
Exactly...he ignored many people protesting the safety that had left that very morning or day before...A VET actor that has been in many films with guns...ya should had followed protocol like George Clooney....
The competent and experienced armorer who turned down the job said it was a job for three people. He said the film had so much use of guns that he would need two other people to do the job properly.
Precisely. Deflect, deflect.
Why doesn’t he sue Matt because his wife dared to get shot by him 😡
why doesn't he sue Halyna's parent's for having her in the first place
I hope the defendants would join force to bankrupt this murdering asshole. His stupid self pulled the trigger and he’s washing his hands clean.
That's the danger of his approach.
Killz, you are NOT the victim, you're the murderer
Of fucking course. Fuck AB, such a prick.
Fucker. I hate him.
Fuck the nytimes
I am curious about the timing of this lawsuit. The shooting happened over a year ago. Why now?
I feel bad for her cuz she was dealing with props & they did not call her to set....Also, only few people were allowed due to Covid laws....wrecking a young girls life when she just wanted a career....unless there is something she did we don't know...Dave Hall def should be punished
Cuz he’s a little bitch who has hurt feelings and who is incapable of accepting fault for anything. He has anger management issues.