I mean there was some good elements in there. Five different groups fighting independently, moral choices leading to whole different locations instead of just recontextualizing what you were gonna do anyway, finishing off Shadow's story line after 3 games.
I’ve never played it but I do like how all of Sonic’s friends are actually in it, cause around that time Sega seemed to think Sonic having a unique cast of friends was a bad thing
It's also cannon which many sonic fans disagree with just because its on a handheld device (idk why games being on handheld especially on the ds voids them or something)
SA2 version of Unknown from M.E. has always been my favorite version. I think people only like the SA1 version so much because it's been memed into the ground and cuz it's easier to sing along to. Not that it's bad mind you, I do still like it.
I agree with you except for the idea of Classic Sonic and Modern Sonic remaining as seperate universes. They should stay the same character. The events of CD and 3K were referenced in Sa1, the original mobile versions of Sonic 1 and 2 used Modern Sonic art rather than classic Sonic, and overall the idea of them being two separate universes is dumb. Just make Modern Sonic the grown up version of Sonic. That’s way simpler and makes a lot more sense.
unpopular opinions and hot takes are stupid, half the time they're just relatively popular or uncontroversial opinions stated annoyingly or combatively
Highly upvoted comments in threads asking for unpopular opinions and hot takes are like that. If you want actual unpopular opinions you need to sort by controversial.
I’ve got one more. I don’t know if this is an unpopular opinion, but in the Archie Sonic series, I thought the new universe was better than the old one.
This ain’t just a hot take, it’s a nuclear take: what you people define as hot takes is just slightly unpopular opinions that are stated in an annoying way and have to much attention drawn to them
Darkest tone or story? Because I feel the adventure games take that cake. Those were probably the most grounded in reality in the series was before heroes. I mean just Gerald’s plan is fucked up.
Sonic & the Black Knight had Sonic decide to stab a king to death, stop "Knuckles" from committing honorable suicide, and then convince someone to let their kingdom die because a stagnant life without end isn't worth living.
I mean she barely has any competition lol. Her arc in rush is still leagues better than what Amy and Rouge have gotten in the past 10-12 years not counting comics
Or really any ship for that matter. It’s better to leave that kind of thing up to interpretation. Because the moment they make one of them canon, at least some people out there would riot.
Japanese Sonic is better than English Sonic, simply because that he and the rest of the cast stay consistent and don’t really change personalities as each game comes out.
Sonic 06 is worse than Sonic Boom. At least you could salvage the cartoon and Fire and Ice from Boom. Sonic 06's entire story and design concepts are completely broken.
06 needed a whole rewrite with that story. Boom when it was back in it's sonic synergy days could've been great with their old story before the wii u and cartoon bomb was dropped on big red button. 06 would've been terrible from a story standpoint even if the gameplay was good
I wish Sega would stop pulling a Dragon ball; everytime they make a game, rather than putting more Sonic/DragonBall characters into the game to give variety to the gameplay we instead just get 20 different versions of Sonic/Goku.
I completely agree. The story made more sense, the other game modes were better, the stages had better concepts and in some cases better designs, and it includes older levels in a good and un-forced way, like Lava Reef and Ice Cap.
sally shouldnt be canon to the games, so the creators cant fuck up her character and create an annoying rivalry between amy and sally cause you know they some how are gonna make that happen-
Honestly, even as a classic fan, I can agree with this. Like fine, if SEGA wants to release merch using the classic design (be it shirts, coffee mugs, posters etc), then that's fine. Likewise Mania 2 is an obvious thing to do that should use the classic design just for consistency within the potential Mania sub-series.
the boost could be better then adventures but it has never been used to its full potential egg man land proves you could have great platforming multiply rought and long levels. also the unleashed s ranks arnt to hard there s rank there supposed to be special/ hard
At this point, there's been so many pieces of music, with such a sheer variety that most people could find something they like. That's not to say it's all winners, or that everyone likes all of it, just that there's probably something for everyone.
I wouldn't assassinate you for knocking Colors this hard, ...no, I'd assassinate you for putting fucking FORCES above any Sonic game in the last 15 years. Sorry, straight lines with rote challenges and literal boost to win gameplay is NOT better level design than rudimentary block platforming. I have to use my brain sometimes when playing Colors. Not like, MUCH, but you know, the lights flicker on slightly. If I get into the abomination that is the story and how it's presented (the culmination of a LOT of bad storytelling decisions since Colors, Unleashed if I'm feeling particularly critical) I'll be here all day.
Somehow you perfectly described my issue with Unleashed. I never understood why people enjoyed the day sections. Growing up I found the day ones a pain and the night stages enjoyable because at least I could steer sonic pretty well then.
Sonic 06 is legitimately a garbage game as a whole including characters, a mess of a story, aswell as Mephiles a bland af antagonist whose just there being generically evil and by design looks ugly af, not too mention if memory serves me right Mephiles and Sonic NEVER interact until he surprises him from behind piercing a blast through him killing the blue hedgehog (which is also stupid by itself btw ffs) my question is Why tf did he get Silver to target Sonic???. This seems like a no brainer of an answer but to my surprise there are a bunch of 06 apologists and some youtubers who excuse the game by the constant phrase "it's bad that it's good" no. I'm sorry but no, that to me just proves on how certain fans are willing to pass a legit bad game and not know what a quality video game is and proves that they don't know what they want.
I like the Archie Comics' Knuckles the Echidna Ken Penders' run in the late 90s. I love Sonic the Hedgehog comics and even the post Robotnik story run from issues 50 to 75. Had it not been for him and the other writers and artists at Archie at the time, I would not be a Sonic fan today. I wish there was a game based on those comics. I was reading from 1997 to 2001.
Shadow with a gun is best thing ever. I don't care if he has chaos poopoo or something like that where it's 100x more effective and efficient. Hedgehog with gun is cool.
Metal sonic is weak, Amy is weak, shadow is the weakest of all. Sonic, Tails and Knuckles are the only characters the series needs. Mecha sonic is far superior to metal sonic.
Honest opinion, Elise is a perfectly fine character on her own merits, and is grossly overhated. Also, her being romantically interested in Sonic isn't gross like people think it is.
"Sonic CD is the best classic sreies game while 2 isn't" bruh the level design is so weird i get that the songs are what make it worth it but BEST??? In my opinion (of course) 3 is the best
That’s just factual though, even if you tell me it’s an opinion, if someone says the sonic games on average are better than the Mario games I’ll probably never take their opinion seriously when it comes to video games.
I prefer the 3d games to the 2d games
I have played a lot more of the 3d games than the 2d games, so I can't really say which is better, but I do enjoy most of the ones I have played.
Same! I prefer Modern Sonic over Classic Sonic. Modern's design and attitude appeals to me more.
I never played any sonic game and this sub keeps appearing in my home page
Must be a sign
I unironically enjoy Shadow the Hedgehog (The game)
I unironically enjoy the main theme.
Shadow the Hedgehog is tied with Heroes for my favorite Sonic game. A lot of the reasons people hate the game are reasons I love it.
I mean there was some good elements in there. Five different groups fighting independently, moral choices leading to whole different locations instead of just recontextualizing what you were gonna do anyway, finishing off Shadow's story line after 3 games.
It was fun, a small portion of the story was even good I’d argue
I see nothing wrong with this
Cause it’s a genuinely good and badass game.
Unironically my favorite in the series. Currently completely every story combination, I'm at around 100/326
Hey. I like Shadow game too.
I unironically enjoy Shadow '05, Sonic '06 and Sonic Boom ROL
Me too, actually. The gameplay was a bit slippery and an aiming mode would help, but it was a good storyline.
Sonic colors DS was better
The superior version
I’ve never played it but I do like how all of Sonic’s friends are actually in it, cause around that time Sega seemed to think Sonic having a unique cast of friends was a bad thing
Cold hard fax
It's also cannon which many sonic fans disagree with just because its on a handheld device (idk why games being on handheld especially on the ds voids them or something)
if only it was in the port i will buy it as i love to face the 2 nega wisp
correct
You talkin heavy.
No they’re talking bomb, I mean look at the picture /j
You talking Pootis
Explain why you think forces is better than colors? Also I think sa2 unknown from m.e. Is better than sa1 unknown from m.e.
YOU SON OF A- I actually totally agree. SA2 felt more like actual rap. I do miss the melody of the first version tho.
I read nothing but facts here
Cool. Same for me but for sonic.
SA2 version of Unknown from M.E. has always been my favorite version. I think people only like the SA1 version so much because it's been memed into the ground and cuz it's easier to sing along to. Not that it's bad mind you, I do still like it.
In my opinion rouge's titties are to small
Well they are 1 polygon
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coldest take
Yes!
Vector is sexy as fuck
Coldest Take ever written
Antarctica shivered reading this
My mom agrees
very sexy crocodile daddy
Muy frío
By all the logic that happened to Sonic (mostly in mid to late 2000s), Sonic wouldn't have reached 2010s decade.
I kinda like Sonic got up and pressed on even when it stumbled a few times
I have a few:
I agree with you except for the idea of Classic Sonic and Modern Sonic remaining as seperate universes. They should stay the same character. The events of CD and 3K were referenced in Sa1, the original mobile versions of Sonic 1 and 2 used Modern Sonic art rather than classic Sonic, and overall the idea of them being two separate universes is dumb. Just make Modern Sonic the grown up version of Sonic. That’s way simpler and makes a lot more sense.
I want a side mission you can fish as big, you don't make it necessary to beat and people will love big the cat.
Big as a shopkeeper in the main games sounds like a good idea. What would he sell though and how to utilize said items in gameplay?
unpopular opinions and hot takes are stupid, half the time they're just relatively popular or uncontroversial opinions stated annoyingly or combatively
Highly upvoted comments in threads asking for unpopular opinions and hot takes are like that. If you want actual unpopular opinions you need to sort by controversial.
Like the idiots who say SA1&2 are bad because they suck at the game and make fun of the cutscene animations and voice acting?
Hot take in this sub, apparently:
Based
As a new member to this sub I'm only realizing now just how fucking whinny this community is. (Coming from someone that likes every sonic game)
Fandoms... they tend to be hiveminds with the emotional intelligence of an infant and an IQ lower than the temperature water freezes, in Celsius.
It's generally in good fun. The franchise has a lot of different types of games, so everybody comes here for what they like, and opinions differ.
I’ve got one more. I don’t know if this is an unpopular opinion, but in the Archie Sonic series, I thought the new universe was better than the old one.
Me too
The designs of the characters were much better. While I will miss the old continuity, I was really enjoying the fresh take of the archie comics
Bet, personally I'd prefer there to be a third Story Book game instead of Adventure 3
Both
This ain’t just a hot take, it’s a nuclear take: what you people define as hot takes is just slightly unpopular opinions that are stated in an annoying way and have to much attention drawn to them
because if you say an actual hot take u get downvoted because it's a very different opinion
The Werehog levels in Unleashed are amazing and I'm absolutely dying on that hill.
They're pretty good I'll die on that hill anyday but this is a big but. Empire night actually makes me want to jump off a cliff.
Yes!! Love me some werehog!
Ah, yes someone else who actually grew up with that game.
Well then I’ve hope you’ve made peace with that hill because your about to die
Big agree
This is coming from someone who only played the Wii version... I agree. Unleashed is still one of the best Sonic games.
Forces was the darkest we’re gonna see Sonic until someone with brains decides kids can handle darker stuff.
Darkest tone or story? Because I feel the adventure games take that cake. Those were probably the most grounded in reality in the series was before heroes. I mean just Gerald’s plan is fucked up.
Sonic & the Black Knight had Sonic decide to stab a king to death, stop "Knuckles" from committing honorable suicide, and then convince someone to let their kingdom die because a stagnant life without end isn't worth living.
I mean we’ve got Ian Flynn writing Frontiers and coming out of the IDW comic’s zombot arc I won’t lie I’m feeling pretty confident
Amy's new character as an army general is cool but was totally unearned. She has no arc and is basically someone else now.
Unleashed is the best modern Sonic game we've had.
Speak With Your Heart is the best Sonic song
I think Roger Craig Smith, does a good voice for Sonic currently.
Not an unpopular opinion
I agree.
Blaze Is The Best Female In Sonic.
I mean she barely has any competition lol. Her arc in rush is still leagues better than what Amy and Rouge have gotten in the past 10-12 years not counting comics
She can play around in the Himalayas for hours
Personaly i think eggman is the best female in sonic.
Sonamy shouldn't be in the games
To be fair, the writing for the games would destroy anything relationship related anyway. And then there's that one mandate applied in the comics.
Or really any ship for that matter. It’s better to leave that kind of thing up to interpretation. Because the moment they make one of them canon, at least some people out there would riot.
I thought this wasn’t an unpopular opinion?
Romance shouldn't be anywhere near Sonic.
Rouge has nice tits
Take so cold it's in Ice Cap zone.
That's probably the most popular take in the entire fandom ever, though. :)
mega based
Japanese Sonic is better than English Sonic, simply because that he and the rest of the cast stay consistent and don’t really change personalities as each game comes out.
Here's an extra one: Cosmo is a really bad character, and people only like her because they like Tails.
i like her because of the pair, not just tails alone
I don't hate her but besides that I agree. If she wasnt attached to Tails no one would really care about her.
I would give you an award... If I had one
Thank you, I thought I was alone on this hill with how much people seem to like Cosmo.
I wouldn't say bad, but really stale and she adds nothing new to the series.
Sonic 06 is worse than Sonic Boom. At least you could salvage the cartoon and Fire and Ice from Boom. Sonic 06's entire story and design concepts are completely broken.
06 needed a whole rewrite with that story. Boom when it was back in it's sonic synergy days could've been great with their old story before the wii u and cartoon bomb was dropped on big red button. 06 would've been terrible from a story standpoint even if the gameplay was good
Since when is Sonic 06 being the absolute worst an unpopular opinion?
..that's any opinion in this community?
I like the edgy Villains
Edgy villains are fine, but whether they’re good villains or not is what makes the edgy aspect leave a sour taste for some people.
Hold up, Sonic Colors may not be the best sonic game, but it's a lot better than the other trash like Forces.
Colors ds was goated
I agree
Shadow died at the end of SA2 and should have stayed that way.
Now that's a hot take
Black Knight was actually decent
Black Knight was the best isekai
I wish Sega would stop pulling a Dragon ball; everytime they make a game, rather than putting more Sonic/DragonBall characters into the game to give variety to the gameplay we instead just get 20 different versions of Sonic/Goku.
Genesis Era was great... but Dreamcast/GameCube Era got it better.
Here's the big one: It's okay that Knuckles is dumb.
He should be naïve not dumb, There's a difference. In S3&K he was naïve since he was pretty clever with his traps.
SA1 > SA2 in pretty much every way
Piggybacking!
I completely agree. The story made more sense, the other game modes were better, the stages had better concepts and in some cases better designs, and it includes older levels in a good and un-forced way, like Lava Reef and Ice Cap.
Was this ever in debate?
Facts tho
I agree on the levels and storyline. But that chao garden in SA2, man!
I don't like Heroes that much
I like it for Neo's design...
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This is normal— you’d be executed for the opposite.
I feel like this is a fair take
Honestly the way Sega is throwing mandates around it seems like they want sonic to be ace, which is fine by me, but completely kills Amy's character
tbh, that applies to any shipping really
They’ll hardly let him show he’s straight, what difference would it make lol
I don't ship sonadow either but calling it and all other gay ships "cringe" just feels like thinly-veiled homophobia.
homophobia on Reddit? more likely than you’d think
OmG I’m gonna cancel you!!!1!1!!1!!!1! How dare you say that about Sanic you uncultured swine!!!!!!!!1!!1!
Blaze is better than Shadow.
Forces was good. Not the best, but good
My hot take? I actually genuinely enjoyed the storybook series, and I wish they had made at least one more game in that style.
the last good plataform Sonic game was Sonic and the Black Knight
sally shouldnt be canon to the games, so the creators cant fuck up her character and create an annoying rivalry between amy and sally cause you know they some how are gonna make that happen-
SA1 > SA2
Live and Learn is highly overrated and is cleared by both Open Your Heart and What I'm Made Of.
I do agree Live and Learn is overrated but how can you not enjoy the one at the 30th anniversary symphony?
I still dislike Sonic.exe
They should just stop using classic Sonic. Maybe a sequel to Sonic Mania, but that's it.
Honestly, even as a classic fan, I can agree with this. Like fine, if SEGA wants to release merch using the classic design (be it shirts, coffee mugs, posters etc), then that's fine. Likewise Mania 2 is an obvious thing to do that should use the classic design just for consistency within the potential Mania sub-series.
Sonic Colors is a good game.
Whats the best boost game because generation boost part were cool but 2d sections trash
the boost could be better then adventures but it has never been used to its full potential egg man land proves you could have great platforming multiply rought and long levels. also the unleashed s ranks arnt to hard there s rank there supposed to be special/ hard
You Sonic fans can’t decide on what games are good
This is a fact not an opinion.
In terms of design, I prefer Post Super Genesis Wave Sally and wish that was her original design
Sonic 06 wasn’t as bad as people say it is. There were some pretty cool parts.
SA2 sucks
I can't yall would literally come to my house and kill me
I enjoy long quilled sonic
Sonic good
Knuckles has no ears
I'm not a big fan of Mania
Sonic music sucks, not my opinion but if someone were to say that they’d be killed
At this point, there's been so many pieces of music, with such a sheer variety that most people could find something they like. That's not to say it's all winners, or that everyone likes all of it, just that there's probably something for everyone.
Eggman's Sonic 06 design isn't bad
I wouldn't assassinate you for knocking Colors this hard, ...no, I'd assassinate you for putting fucking FORCES above any Sonic game in the last 15 years. Sorry, straight lines with rote challenges and literal boost to win gameplay is NOT better level design than rudimentary block platforming. I have to use my brain sometimes when playing Colors. Not like, MUCH, but you know, the lights flicker on slightly. If I get into the abomination that is the story and how it's presented (the culmination of a LOT of bad storytelling decisions since Colors, Unleashed if I'm feeling particularly critical) I'll be here all day.
Somehow you perfectly described my issue with Unleashed. I never understood why people enjoyed the day sections. Growing up I found the day ones a pain and the night stages enjoyable because at least I could steer sonic pretty well then.
Sonic 06 is legitimately a garbage game as a whole including characters, a mess of a story, aswell as Mephiles a bland af antagonist whose just there being generically evil and by design looks ugly af, not too mention if memory serves me right Mephiles and Sonic NEVER interact until he surprises him from behind piercing a blast through him killing the blue hedgehog (which is also stupid by itself btw ffs) my question is Why tf did he get Silver to target Sonic???. This seems like a no brainer of an answer but to my surprise there are a bunch of 06 apologists and some youtubers who excuse the game by the constant phrase "it's bad that it's good" no. I'm sorry but no, that to me just proves on how certain fans are willing to pass a legit bad game and not know what a quality video game is and proves that they don't know what they want.
That's literally the one thing 99.99% of Sonic fans can agree on.
Sonic and Amy isn't canon and will never be canon. It's the worst relationship in the Sonic franchise.
I hate to do this but… You spelt worst incorrectly.
"Sonic was never good"
"Uh, Green Hill Zone from Sonic 2"
i think knuckles chaotix is a great game.
I like the Archie Comics' Knuckles the Echidna Ken Penders' run in the late 90s. I love Sonic the Hedgehog comics and even the post Robotnik story run from issues 50 to 75. Had it not been for him and the other writers and artists at Archie at the time, I would not be a Sonic fan today. I wish there was a game based on those comics. I was reading from 1997 to 2001.
Sonic Heros is probably the best Sonic game out there, story wise, gameplay diversity wise, soundtrack wise, development wise, and much more.
Sonic 06 should get a remake. Fix bugs, unnoticed graphics, change nothing.
Don't know if this is a hot take but shadow wasn't always an edge lord. In SA2 he was just a confidant villain with a little ego.
Shadow with a gun is best thing ever. I don't care if he has chaos poopoo or something like that where it's 100x more effective and efficient. Hedgehog with gun is cool.
I actually enjoyed Sonic Forces.
Both the advance and rush games are leagues better than Mania.
Respect to you because that’s actually a nuclear take.
Metal sonic is weak, Amy is weak, shadow is the weakest of all. Sonic, Tails and Knuckles are the only characters the series needs. Mecha sonic is far superior to metal sonic.
Name a long running franchise that only runs on three characters.
Crash of the titans is a pretty decent game and the ds version is good.
Shiro Maekawa is overrated
Honest opinion, Elise is a perfectly fine character on her own merits, and is grossly overhated. Also, her being romantically interested in Sonic isn't gross like people think it is.
Definitely agree. I feel people wouldn't have freaked out (as hard) if she were designed more like an Unleashed human.
I think Sonic Mania is overrated
As somebody who has 100% completed the game 6 times...
i agree, but i can't blame the fanbase for this, Sonic fans are so thrist for a good game that mania felt a game forged by the gods
Ooooooooo thats a harsh but true statement, but it is at least considered a good game rigth?
I honestly think Sonic Hero’s is my absolute favorite Sonic game of all time
•Unleashed is a bad sonic game for the clunky formulas, story and overall feel, but the music is fine
"Sonic CD is the best classic sreies game while 2 isn't" bruh the level design is so weird i get that the songs are what make it worth it but BEST??? In my opinion (of course) 3 is the best
Sonic Lost World is a severely underrated game.
It is. Far too slow for a Sonic game, but the gameplay is pretty good
Sonic forces is better than sonic 06
Mario is better
Not in every way of course, there are some things Sonic does better than Mario. Like the main character actually having a personality and music.
That’s just factual though, even if you tell me it’s an opinion, if someone says the sonic games on average are better than the Mario games I’ll probably never take their opinion seriously when it comes to video games.