Would you consider buying a gun now for self protection?

  1. This! I want to get a gun but i see a gun as a tool/equipment and as such, i need to be train on it. I definitely need to look for a decent training center for firearms

  2. Please properly secure your gun in a safe that's bolted in place. I feel like a lot of people buy guns for personal protection but then leave them under their pillow or in their car glove box when they go to work.

  3. Asian here. Yeah we got guns. Break into my car, take shit from my garage, take it i won't even yell at you because its not fucking worth it.

  4. People are quiet about for a couple reasons. First, the Bay Area is a very left leaning place, and people make certain assumptions about you if you have a gun. Second, red flag laws. If someone knows you have a gun and they don’t like you, they can make one fraudulent phone call and cause a serious ordeal.

  5. This, considering this now and making sure we are protected and trained in various martial arts. My wife and I plan to use this as a hobby to travel around and get training from various military and combat specialists for physical fitness and self defenses (and as a great excuse to travel).

  6. I'm a long time gun owner. When Covid hit our local gun store looked like they had been robbed by extremely neat thieves. The shelves were empty and they said that the almost universal new buyer came in and asked for a Glock and a pump shotgun.

  7. I grew up with guns, hunted, and even did the Eddie Eagle gun safety from the NRA when I was younger. I personally am very comfortable around guns and 2A supporter.

  8. Yeah. I have two kids as well and it is just way too much of a risk. I was a very responsible rule following kid, but even I couldn’t resist the lure of my dad’s air rifle which I often used for really dumb purposes.

  9. I'd like to have one but 1) my wife is more concerned about a gun around our children than the threat of violent crime (I agree), and 2) I'm not 100% sure I won't shoot myself someday (life is hard sometimes).

  10. If any one of y’all is gunna go buy a gun because you live in fear of crime, please do your due diligence and get proper fucking training on how to use one. Thanks 😊

  11. I would consider it, but with two kids in the house and a bit of depression (a long time) in my past, I suspect it would be far more dangerous for me personally to have a gun than to not have a gun.

  12. Yep - my neighbor’s kid shot himself by accident after finding a loaded gun in the house. I don’t even trust my kids with a drinking glass so guns are totally out of question for me.

  13. I have nothing against guns for their intended use, but I have no desire to buy one, and have never been in a situation where I would have needed one. To each their own.

  14. No. We have kids and the way I'd have to keep it safely locked away from them would also mean it would be of limited utility against an aggressor. Additionally, we live in a fairly safe area of the bay - not many home invasions here. Way more catalytic converter theft and muggings (and CCW is nearly impossible in California so that's out of the question).

  15. Not that I think the current SCOTUS is great, but the gun ruling just prior to the Roe v. Wade decision means that it should be considerably easier to get a CCW in CA.

  16. A lot of people bought a firearm during the COVID panic, but many have not touched it since or had taken it to the range. Please, if you buy a firearm, make sure you are familiar with how to use it safely and how to handle it. I recommend strongly taking a training course as well. Not to mention safe storage of the firearm, to keep it out of the hands of young children or prevent it from being stolen.

  17. No, but I say this as a someone who owns already. I think purchasing a gun due to fear of crime is not a particularly good reason to buy a gun in most of the bay - I'd say that most crimes that happen to people probably happen when they're out and about, and the gun at home won't help you there (unless we figure out what CCW means in the CA-shall-issue world).

  18. If I come home to my home being robbed I have a feeling the police are more likely to show up if I tell them there's a gun in the house.

  19. Nope, more worried about suicide if one of my mildly depressed family members goes through a worse depressive episode than I am about any external threats.

  20. If I got one it’d be for the home. I’m pretty sure on the streets I’d be in a situation where someone got the jump on me/ i didn’t see them coming

  21. No. If I’m attacked in my home, chances are I won’t be able to have it loaded and ready. Also too much potential for accidental death or getting into the wrong hands. The responsibility and liability are too much of a risk for me.

  22. I would not. As a woman, I know my odds of being killed by my own weapon in a domestic situation are much higher than my odds of using it in self-defense. That isn’t a risk that makes sense taking at this point in time. Realistically, I don’t have enough time to spend at the range to become a good enough shot to use it successfully for defense (and neither do most people who own guns).

  23. This. I'd consider it because I live alone. But my dog hates men walking through the door (previous owner had abusive boyfriend) and loves me dearly. And it's not like I can accidentally shot something with my dog.

  24. And it's also far more common to kill a family member with your firearm than to kill a criminal with your firearm. There are few burglars interested in breaking into an occupied home and mostly burglars are going to break in during the afternoon while everybody is at work, not at night when someone is at home to ventilate them.

  25. Pulling out your gun in a domestic situation is a choice. If you feel you are the kind of person that would pull a gun out on a domestic situation, yeah don't get one.

  26. I’ve thought about it, but it’s a very dangerous thing to have around the house. I don’t fear guns, but I massively respect them.

  27. This thread is pretty interesting. Having grown up in the bay, I understand where people are coming from. However, having moved to the South, this thread is completely 180 degrees to the culture here. You can't find a person without a gun here.

  28. Gun ownership might be higher than you think. Best practice in gun ownership is not to advertise you own a gun(s), it’s like advertising your house to get robbed. Also, don’t tell people, some find it offensive.

  29. And be careful when you give you gun ownership info to the state because they don't bother to properly secure that information. They just exposed the info of every CCW permit holder... Ooops.

  30. Although it’s a very liberal state, California is second only to Texas in gun ownership because of sheer volume of population (

  31. I had a buddy last year telling me that people lining up at the gun store every single day they were open, looking to buy any handgun they could get their hands on. Their has been a massive shortage of handguns available in United States as well as ammo.

  32. No. I wouldn't feel confident or want to use a gun, ever. That's just my personal feeling. There was an incident recently at a train station near my house where a car jacker wrestled a gun away from the victim and shot him (only minor injury thankfully). And got away with his car too. I'm not sure how the gun (carried presumably for protection) helped here.

  33. I just recently bought a couple guns (handgun and long gun). The trigger to my purchases wasn't necessarily crime in the city, it's the violent rhetoric coming from right wingers. I feel that it would be foolish of me to not take them at their word. I grew up shooting, in a very rural area, so I'm comfortable with firearms...but I'm looking forward to taking some classes/training in the next few months. I'm also very interested in getting into competition shooting. If I had children, I wouldn't have a gun in the house.

  34. You'll find many gun owners are right wing — and are happy to have someone from across the aisle shooting alongside them. I don't care what reason someone may have for exercising their rights, so long as they're not a prohibited possessor (as Ross Mirkarimi was during his term as sheriff — he was under indictment for beating his wife so he couldn't even handle firearms). Just happy to have you joining us in taking responsibility for your own well-being.

  35. I own. But my security system sign is more protection than my gun. And the fact that it's in the safe probably means that it's not really protection unless the perp is loud and slow. But with kids around that's the way it's going to be. I could carry inside the house, but knowing me I will probably forget and leave the house with it. I have guns because I enjoy shooting them. Just like I enjoy riding my bikes.

  36. There is almost no scenario where a gun would make me safer - I have been shot at and a gun would of just made it worse - and those rounds just ended up in a random business full of people.

  37. Agree. Training in situational awareness and operations under stress are also key components to a gun being an effective defense weapon. I think a gun is a poor choice for those who are not willing to take these trainings and stay in practice.

  38. I think the first question you have to ask yourself is, “Will I use a gun against another person if threatened?”. I don’t think there is a wrong answer to this question, it’s a very personal one and you have to decide for yourself. If you are unwilling to use it with the intent of killing someone, do NOT get a gun for home/personal protection. I don’t know the studies, so if someone wants to correct me/humble me, feel free, but I recall reading some unflattering stats about people who had their guns taken away from them and used against them. I don’t think you should use it as a threat, either use it, or don’t get it out. That’s my advice and my opinion, others are welcome to their own.

  39. All the incidents I have been in have been right up close, so my self defense work is going into situation awareness and hand to hand training. And a knife for backup.

  40. Not sure if you've done a lot of asymetric training, that's when hand to hand and such fall apart. Also California you can't carry a fixed blade and it's hard deploying a folder at speed.

  41. Gun owner, yes. But currently for recreational use only. I keep it secured and inoperative at home because my belief is that the odds of me needing to use it in my area are not greater than the drawbacks to having an easily accessible firearm.

  42. I think it’s wise. Courts have repeatedly concluded that police are under no obligation to protect you. Just be sure you’re ready for the commitment; training, storage, maintenance, and at least occasional range time.

  43. No, I don't have the money for it, but I have family who became gun nuts when they moved to SF. Even before the increase in reported crimes against Asians, they felt unsafe in the City.

  44. I have guns, but rifles only and they are for sport and not self defense, and am not likely to be robbed given my apartment location in the building. If I got mugged I don't think I'd have much chance to use it before the other person had theirs pointed at me. If I had a house I think I'd have one set for self defense. If I owned a shop I would consider a hand gun.

  45. Already have a gun. Used to be anti-gun until a detective friend on the SJPD told me I was ignorant. He said I only felt that way because I’d never been exposed to guns.

  46. Furthermore, the police are actively hostile to liberals because liberals constantly criticize their desire to create a police state where the police are judge, jury, and executioner. Watching the videos of police action against pro-abortion demonstrators has been wild. Those cops are practically slathering at the mouth to beat up them uppity liberal wimmins.

  47. I think about it a lot. Used to be a decent shot as a kid. But the odds of misusing one, the hassle of getting the paperwork and storing it properly in a house with kids, and the time energy and money to get proficient at it enough to carry confidently give me pause. I've also never (yet) found myself in a situation where a gun would have improved things.

  48. Owning a gun is like owning a fire extinguisher. You hope you’ll never need it, but if you do you’ll be glad it’s there.

  49. I am assuming this is subjective to what part of the bay one lives in. I keep hearing that crime is up, but is it personal crime or petty theft/robbery? Personally speaking, I haven’t seen a change in safety conditions. But then, I don’t venture out late, or seem to get myself into unsafe situations.

  50. Street and property crime is up in SF/Oakland, but flat in most of the surrounding areas.

  51. Growing up in a gang ridden neighborhood I know of people who owned a gun, or knew how to buy one and/or access to one in their household. Looking back I think many of these were NOT legally owned. There is totally an increase in residents obtaining ghost guns. Not sure how they plays into your question.

  52. the chances of them injuring themselves with their own weapons is astronimically higher than them ever using the gun to stop violence against them

  53. nope. unless people are actively going around murdering others for the sake of murdering others, i dont see the need to escalate things into a life or death situation. just being situationally aware, and wearing shoes i can run in, is good enough for me. if they just want my wallet, i dont see the point of escalating it to a life or death situation for the both of us.

  54. Not to mention that more family members get killed by guns than criminals. Turns out that having a hair trigger, a lot of adrenalin flowing, and the dark of night with someone bumping around in your living room is a recipe for disaster where someone coming home late from the bars is more likely to get killed than a criminal.

  55. According to the data that CADOJ posted two days ago (while also leaking PII of some gun owners, so it was shut down yesterday), the number of handgun purchases in 2020 and 2021 is about twice as higher as in 2019 and before. There was also an increase of getting FSC (which sort of indicates of new gun ownership increase) starting in 2020 too.

  56. That’s the part that scares me. Wrong weapon, poor training. Makes them far more likely to fuck up with the gun and hurt someone unintentionally than to actually defend themselves.

  57. Not interested right now cause crime really isn't that big of a problem where I live. I'm also not against guns and I think they can be fun if done safe but I personally absolutely despise American gun culture where people will get a gun to solve absolutely every single problem. Guns only seem to be effective in a slim range of scenarios and if you're willing to kill a person. They are tools for murder after all and should be treated as such

  58. Would I consider buying myself another firearm? Yes. I have a few that I love, but as a woman, my preferred for self defense is my M&P Shield. It’s insanely accurate, fits my grip really well, and isn’t too heavy or bulky. The only thing I would recommend would be to switch out the trigger for an Apex. Peninsula Guns & Tactical in San Bruno is a great shop.

  59. I have a firearm for self protection but not because of crime as we’re traditionally viewing it (robberies, etc). I bought it because of the increase of violence towards women and minorities in the past 6 or 7 years.

  60. No training required but practice is recommended. Go to the range with an experienced friend or co worker and bring your new pistol. Bring like 200-400 rounds of range ammo with you. Its not as complicated or scary as the image you have formed in your mind. Follow range master instructions or they will throw you out with no hesitation. Check out United Sportsman in Concord, nice newly built range in the hills.

  61. I am more worried about our collective security in the face of political violence against those who dissent against totalitarian rule.

  62. I did not buy a gun for self-protection. I originally purchased them for recreation and destroying rodents/pests. There isn't a time where I will have a gun on my person.

  63. Gun owner, non carry here. Guns to protect home or business, yes. For me, carry introduces a wild card I don't want. I have had a crazy person pull a gun on me. Having a gun with me wouldn't have helped at all.

  64. I live in an urban area so no. If I got jumped in the streets I wouldn’t be able to draw fast enough. And at home, they can take it. I have insurance. Plus I don’t see that kind of violent crime here in the peninsula anyway

  65. Young adult that grew up in the South Bay. I’m trans fem and increasingly distrust others to protect me in something were to happen, especially in my own age group. I think that a lot of trans acceptance in the bay is highly performative, because I’ll hear plenty of supposedly progressive people using transphobic slurs behind closed doors. Gwen Araujo and Larry King’s murders doesn’t really improve my outlook. But no, I wouldn’t buy a gun for protection of property but for myself.

  66. Keep one in the home for protection because it's just me and a 16-pound dachshund mix at my place. Personally I believe you have the right to defend yourself and your home by any means necessary up to and including deadly force. I keep fairly quiet about it. Nobody likes a "Gun Owner As A Personality" gun owner. Everything is secured when I'm not at home or if I have people over.

  67. I don't like guns, have only fired one once on my birthday some 30 years ago. That said, I've considered getting one lately. Not sure what I would do with it. I couldn't keep it in my car because I might be tempted to start blasting if someone cut me off (just kidding). I live in a relatively safe area and generally, the level of crime here does not justify a shootout, i.e. no armed home invasions, car jackings, etc. If someone did break into my house, I'd have to run upstairs, unlock the gun and ammo, load it, then fly back down the stairs while trying not to shoot myself in the leg. In other words, so far the downside outweighs the up.

  68. I'm just worried because you can't fire warning shots because then you're not in immediate danger and if you shoot them you're going to be in court for 2 years which is a nightmare. Police need to do their job and we need to stop paying them for the lackluster performance, they need to be paid performance based and not ticket quotas but actual crimes prevent and intervene. I'm very disappointed in our police force in the south bay peninsula, Mountain view, Los Altos, Palo Alto, SF, Santa Clara sheriffs. We need to hold them and the criminals much more accountable otherwise our life quality is going to deteriorate

  69. I have two five year olds in the house. The odds are wayyyyyyyyyyy higher that one of those idiots would manage to shoot someone (themselves, most likely) than I would be able to use the gun to keep myself safe in case of home invasion.

  70. If I felt like I needed a gun to be safe in a certain area, I'd move instead. I guess I'm more flight than fight.

  71. I can 100% guarantee you that everyone would love to have a gun on their person when they are corned with an active shooter scenario.

  72. Almost everyone I knew growing up in the bay had a gun, from my cousins, grandpa, great grandma, dad, and eventually friends when I got older.

  73. Despite the 4 gun shops near/around our neighborhood, we have no interest in owning a gun. The chances of me or my family being in danger and a gun I own being the thing that keeps us alive is infinitesimally small--there was a good NPR piece on this a few weeks ago, where the stories of positive outcomes in situations like home invasion because the home owner has a gun are almost unheard of to the point where there's no logic in using that as a justification for having and owning one in your home.

  74. I know tons of gun owners and used to be one myself. I get it but also my wife is a teacher and since sandy hook has said we will never own a gun. Greater stats my kids will kill someone accidentally or even on purpose than someone breaking into my home

  75. I understand that crime is going up, but I don’t really understand where all this fear is coming from. The per capita rate of homicide here, even for Oakland (where I live), is nothing compared to other major cities in the U.S. I think St. Louis is like triple our homicide rate or something. Also, good lord, getting a gun because of fear of crime ticking up is imo a dangerous reason to get one.

  76. Oakland had the 18th highest per capita murder rate in 2021. Saying it's nothing by comparing to an outlier and the city with the highest rate (which is actually 4x higher than Oakland's) is pretty misleading.

  77. Are you asian? Because I can tell you the fear in our community is palpable and a big reason asians are buying guns.

  78. Almost everyone I know in the Bay has at least one firearm for home protection. They are also very private of owning firearms and would never advertise this to others.

  79. I bought one just as the riots started. I don't want to own a gun, but I would rather have one than not have one. I've been too lazy to practice shooting and ammo is very expensive so it's locked away in a hidden safe that I will probably never use.

  80. I wouldn't. I have fired service rifles before at a range (w/ training), but I don't feel unsafe in rwc and I'd probably be too apathetic to go through the process to be honest if I did. Probably just think about getting a gun and keep putting it off.

  81. I don't know you or know what kind of person you are, so no, I can't recommend you to purchase a firearm. You need to give more information than that.

  82. Eeeh, so I can get shot because whoever is shooting at me is WAY better at shooting, got the drop on me, and now feels more threatened because I have a gun? Seems like a lose-lose-lose.

  83. I am not against guns by any means, but when I play over scenarios realistically in my head, there are worse outcomes if I have a gun. I’d rather be robbed than shoot someone, both for the emotional toll and the legal mess. I think pulling out a gun if they have a gun highly increases their likelihood of using it in a panic. Especially if you start shooting. More likely, I won’t have it on me or won’t be in a position to use it when needed. Plus the chance of someone using my gun for something bad. I just don’t see many situations except for unlikely fantasies, where my life is better for having a gun against a criminal. If I ever get a gun it will be purely for entertainment purposes.

  84. Nope. Despite what my revenge fantasy want me to believe, I'm probably more likely to end up dead if I tried to pull out a weapon when someone already has the jump on me rather than running away/surrendering items.

  85. I've been thinking about it but I have no idea if I'm even allowed as an immigrant. I don't know the rules

  86. I bought what I call my "end of days" stash. I have them locked up in a gun case in my attic along with ammo. This is never to come out or even be acknowledged to my kid unless the USA or world is in a dire situation.

  87. I would advise training with them and making sure they are rust free and in good condition periodically. And also making sure they are still there

  88. Ive owned guns since I was 15. Once the CCW process is updated to comply with the supreme court I'll be getting my permit to carry as well

  89. I own several guns. I'm not a gun freak, but each gun has its own purpose. A gun should be treated like any other tool in the tool box. Would you leave your kids alone with a power saw?

  90. No. In any situation I might use to protect myself I’m just as likely to lose possession Of the gun (now I’m on the wrong end) or mess up shooting or simply be unable to pull the trigger when it was necessary. I wouldn’t have enough practice to make it safe, let alone effective. I’ve been trained to punch properly and I still hesitate and fail to land “real” (full strength) punches when someone is literally asking me to try to punch harder - I don’t think I’m a great candidate for actually pulling the trigger with any aim. I know my inability to punch seems like it would favor a gun, but the issue is more that mentally I’m not good at making my body do violence (legs I’m better at - I can run away or kick like a champ without faltering)

  91. I have kids in the house… the danger to them from having a gun around is greater than the risk of random violence imho

  92. No. Not once in 45 years in SF has there been a situation involving myself or my family where having a gun would have made us safer. Just going through all the different incidents I've been through in my head, once you make a giant Venn diagram -- "Would I actually have had the gun accessible?", "Would I have had the chance to draw?", "Would drawing have jeopardized the safety of others?, etc." -- I can't think of a single actual incident. Just Wild West fantasy bullshit.

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