It is also a headache for Hungarians who are not morons. Sadly we are still a minority. Even after all the shit he pulled we elected him again... I feel so ashamed, I am so sad...
Don't feel ashamed for the ignorance of others. The Hungarian brain drain has been going on for a while and will now kick in full force. Unfortunately if you make a place undesirable enough to live, the first ones to leave are young educated people. Combine this with years of propaganda, almost seems too easy.
This is why I’m not overly enthusiastic about the prospect of more countries joining the EU. A single country has a lot of power to sabotage EU efforts from the inside, and the more countries are in the EU, the higher the likelihood that a nutjob like Orban will be elected in one of them.
I mean not like it could never happen in other countries while she probably (hopefully) won't get elected even the vague possibility of Le Pen getting in is alarming
I just want to say one thing as a Hungarian. I think most Hungarians (not all) you see on Reddit are supporting the opposition. This win hurts as so much you can't even image. We knew propaganda was strong, but never thought it was this strong. We are ashamed of our country.
I have a well educated friend of Hungarian descent in Germany and even he has been reached by the propaganda. It’s insane how we used to hang out in a crowd consisting of like 50% lbgtq and now he’s a full on Orban supporter with all that it means.
The other issue is that the EU can't just sit back and wait until shit hits the fan. They need to actively fight against putins influence and stopping funding needs to happen much earlier. Don't give these people the time to even start their slide towards authoritarianism.
Do you usually kick parts of your country out? Because the EU has laways been a federalisation project, see the Schuman declaration. You can remove their council vote and cut off the funds and probably some other stuff. That's enough lol, kicking them out would just be illegal.
Germany also buys a lot of energy from Russia and is against energy sanctions on Russia. Not to say you are the same as Hungary under Orban, but seems a little hypocritical to me.
With the war and Poland distancing from Hungary it is very likely it will get enough votes to remove their voting rights. At least they won't be able to drag down the EU
Headache for the EU? More likely for Hungarians. Hungary is one of the poorest EU countries and will remain that way until Orban is ousted. With a measly
I never realized Croatia is doing so poorly, I've been there many times and always thought they must be about on par or richer than us since everything there felt expensive.
Not Hungary... Fidesz stopping everything. We tried to replace them every democratic way, but our election system is rigged since 2010. Our public media acts as a propaganda machine. For example our election rules... gues who wrote it. Fidesz. On the election yesterday Fidesz got 2.735.383 votes (53,10% of all votes) and the opposition got 1.804.588 votes (35,04% of all). This will be a little bit more than a 2/3 again for them, with their rules.
I wish we could kick them out but it’s rather to have an ally that’s different than us then a new enemy who would obviously side with Russia 100% if we abandoned them (so a “friend” that we pretend to be besties with)
I'm pretty sure in its current state Hungary has more power to hurt us than it ever would if it were not part of the EU. Hungary siding with Russia outside of the Union would mean shit, as a member they are basically a trojan horse.
Kick them out because you disagree with their opinions? You have to be very careful here. Democracy is very weak right now in Europe and it should be protected at all costs. That means going with the rules and respecting the voters. Essentially democracy is accepting the rule of the majority and sometimes having to make compromise with people who don't think like you. forget this, and you are on a very slippery slope.
The elections probably were not fraudulent. Sure the laws are skewed and opposition does no t have media control like the governing party has, but Hungarians voted for Orban to have 4 more years (bringing his rule to 16 years).
The EU brought this on itself. It doesn't do shit about that thug and traitor Orbán and allows this to happen... The EU should have acted years and years ago already. That idiot Juncker failed. He failed the EU. Orbán is an enemy of the EU and the West, and he should be fucking treated as such.
Not exactly EU brought it on itself but European People's Party brought it. Fidesz was affiliated to EPP for all those years when Orban was building his little autocratic empire and they protected him. They're shedding crocodile tears now
Everyone talks about kicking Hungary out, nobody talks about stronger mandate for common Foreign Affairs policy. Differences can be worked out internally, hard to not expect them in an alliance of so many countries.
Keep in mind that some EU decisions have to be unilateral and can be veto-ed by any country. Just look at what happens in UN which is essentially blocked from taking any actions because of veto power of certain countries.
far right should have no say in politics. the end. Now thats hungarian people choice, and everybody is gonna respect by not doing to HUngary what Putin did to Ukraine. but in the same time, fired them from EU seem fair. Also this should be for any country going crazy. If Le Pen win France , France should also be kick out of EU.
It’s a headache for NATO too. Question from an American, this election is essentially illegitimate/rigged right? If so, why haven’t any Hungarian civilians rose up against the government? I understand you guys don’t have guns like us, but the power of the people still outweighs the power of the autocrat.
Good question. Maybe, but so far it seems like a legitimate election, or as legitimate as you can get with state media control and a high amount of funding for the ruling party.
I know about propaganda and all, but the amount of people voting for these clowns around the world and then cheering for having voted against their own interest - just blows my mind
At least Just the same ongoing headache. At least this Mini-Putin doesn't have nuclear weapons, so he'll unlikely turn out to be full blown brain cancer like the big one.
You can all start referring him by his real name: "Orban the First", or "Orban I"
Pope Urbanus' name is also Orbán in Hungarian so it's perfect
Viktor 0
Viktor of the house Orban, first of his name, king of the idiots and the brainwashed, protector of his oligarchs
We call him putyin's lapdog, or emperor orange.
If anything it's going to be "Orban the Only"
Victor the Traitor or Orban the Treasonous, both work well enough.
2orban4hu
Citrusfélék I
I prefer Fuckorban.
I love how Juncker referred to him as "The Dictator" when he was president of the EU commission
It is also a headache for Hungarians who are not morons. Sadly we are still a minority. Even after all the shit he pulled we elected him again... I feel so ashamed, I am so sad...
Don't feel ashamed for the ignorance of others. The Hungarian brain drain has been going on for a while and will now kick in full force. Unfortunately if you make a place undesirable enough to live, the first ones to leave are young educated people. Combine this with years of propaganda, almost seems too easy.
I feel your pain - from UK.
This is why I’m not overly enthusiastic about the prospect of more countries joining the EU. A single country has a lot of power to sabotage EU efforts from the inside, and the more countries are in the EU, the higher the likelihood that a nutjob like Orban will be elected in one of them.
Yeah, admitting more countries without getting rid of the veto first would be suicide.
I mean not like it could never happen in other countries while she probably (hopefully) won't get elected even the vague possibility of Le Pen getting in is alarming
I just want to say one thing as a Hungarian. I think most Hungarians (not all) you see on Reddit are supporting the opposition. This win hurts as so much you can't even image. We knew propaganda was strong, but never thought it was this strong. We are ashamed of our country.
I have a well educated friend of Hungarian descent in Germany and even he has been reached by the propaganda. It’s insane how we used to hang out in a crowd consisting of like 50% lbgtq and now he’s a full on Orban supporter with all that it means.
My heart goes out to you. I'm sorry. Seeing your country go down an awful path makes one feel so helpless
Yeah, well, welcome outside the bubble, mate.
As a UK remainer there are few things more frustrating than seeing your country go to the dogs, my sympathies
As an Italian who had years of Berlusconi I feel you, media are really important (Berlusconi was Mediaset).
Welcome to the club
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Hungary goes against everything that's representing modern EU values.
The other issue is that the EU can't just sit back and wait until shit hits the fan. They need to actively fight against putins influence and stopping funding needs to happen much earlier. Don't give these people the time to even start their slide towards authoritarianism.
Tell poland to allow us to kick him out
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Kick out is waaaaaaaay to harsh... I suggest suspend EU member status or benefits until democracy is restored.
I agree, but also we need patience. Just look at the US struggle with Trump, it takes time before some people realise he sucks.
What principles of democracy were betrayed by this election ?
I do not support the Hungarian right-wing goverment at all, but I would not call these elections un-democratic.
You looking for internet brownie points or genuinely don't understand neither European nor Hungarian politics?
Do you usually kick parts of your country out? Because the EU has laways been a federalisation project, see the Schuman declaration. You can remove their council vote and cut off the funds and probably some other stuff. That's enough lol, kicking them out would just be illegal.
And Hungarians, of course.
Well, maybe we see Article 7 finally being used.
yes, Poland should now have a clear choice between supporting Russia (by supporting Hungary) or support the EU. time to get rid of rogue members
Germany also buys a lot of energy from Russia and is against energy sanctions on Russia. Not to say you are the same as Hungary under Orban, but seems a little hypocritical to me.
With the war and Poland distancing from Hungary it is very likely it will get enough votes to remove their voting rights. At least they won't be able to drag down the EU
I guess this means they wanna get out of the EU
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Kick em out and reinforce the borders that touch Hungary.
I doubt any country would be idiotic enough to leave the EU instead of being obstructionist inside it.
Would be too good... for us.
EU should kick out Hungary, otherwise Orban stays in power till death. Orban will never leave he wants the money from EU
Brussels should troll Orban and write the application for them, then mail it to him.
We are cheap workforce for the german industry, so that won't happen.
Obviously not.
Hungary can join Putlers russia
Headache for the EU? More likely for Hungarians. Hungary is one of the poorest EU countries and will remain that way until Orban is ousted. With a measly
All the while the main oligarch Orban is embezzling money left and right.
Hungarians seem to be more than happy with their current situation.
What's the problem with having the same gdp as your neighbours lol.
And with Poland. You notice a trend here? All countries caught under the Warsaw pact?
I never realized Croatia is doing so poorly, I've been there many times and always thought they must be about on par or richer than us since everything there felt expensive.
is Orban to blame for 45 years of communism too?
Hungarian economy has grown steadily in the last two decades, however
Well, this is why Bulgaria is here, they will be better than us.
Just block all money to Hungary and if they complain ingore them. Thats the best way to deal with them.
Sure but the EU should do the same with Poland.
For 1.8 million hungarians too...
Not Hungary... Fidesz stopping everything. We tried to replace them every democratic way, but our election system is rigged since 2010. Our public media acts as a propaganda machine. For example our election rules... gues who wrote it. Fidesz. On the election yesterday Fidesz got 2.735.383 votes (53,10% of all votes) and the opposition got 1.804.588 votes (35,04% of all). This will be a little bit more than a 2/3 again for them, with their rules.
They can move to other EU countries
Get it in your heads that kicking parts of the EU out is impossible, illegal, and would be a failure of the EU.
Don't bother, man. I tried telling people that it's impossible to kick anyone from EU on this sub many times. Noone listens
Don't bother, man. I tried telling people that it's impossible to kick anyone from EU on this sub many times. Noone listens
Not only a victory, but a rather big one too.
That's quite the understatement.
I wish we could kick them out but it’s rather to have an ally that’s different than us then a new enemy who would obviously side with Russia 100% if we abandoned them (so a “friend” that we pretend to be besties with)
I'm pretty sure in its current state Hungary has more power to hurt us than it ever would if it were not part of the EU. Hungary siding with Russia outside of the Union would mean shit, as a member they are basically a trojan horse.
Kick them out because you disagree with their opinions? You have to be very careful here. Democracy is very weak right now in Europe and it should be protected at all costs. That means going with the rules and respecting the voters. Essentially democracy is accepting the rule of the majority and sometimes having to make compromise with people who don't think like you. forget this, and you are on a very slippery slope.
hm , if anything hungary is a known insignificant quantity now
if we need urgent important decision where a whole Europe must vote, Hungary is always the one stopping, it's a problem.
Maybe it's time to stop funding his dictatorship in exchange for cheap labour. The EU must cut full funding and claim the election as fraudulent.
The elections probably were not fraudulent. Sure the laws are skewed and opposition does no t have media control like the governing party has, but Hungarians voted for Orban to have 4 more years (bringing his rule to 16 years).
Orban the putin cockholster can piss off.
Nem csak az EU-nak fejfaldalom, hanem a nepnek is:(
The EU brought this on itself. It doesn't do shit about that thug and traitor Orbán and allows this to happen... The EU should have acted years and years ago already. That idiot Juncker failed. He failed the EU. Orbán is an enemy of the EU and the West, and he should be fucking treated as such.
Not exactly EU brought it on itself but European People's Party brought it. Fidesz was affiliated to EPP for all those years when Orban was building his little autocratic empire and they protected him. They're shedding crocodile tears now
It should be possible to kick out memberstates that have overstayed their welcome.
No it shouldn't. That's a slippery slope that will lead to an eventual demise of the EU.
Democracy is already in danger. What you describe is very worrying. Protect democracy at all cost, it took centuries to get to where we are today.
Or that we disagree with
"No threats to the imperial power can be tolerated. They must obey Brussels or be crushed."
and for every hungarians who have more than 2iq too :\
How can you vote for that face. Disgusting.
Your arguments as a voter are sound, I see
Why ppl are asking to kick Hungary out? I dont get it. Its always good to have a voice different from mainstream trends. Even if it sucks.
We have one country literally sabotaging the EU using veto power. That's not democracy.
Everyone talks about kicking Hungary out, nobody talks about stronger mandate for common Foreign Affairs policy. Differences can be worked out internally, hard to not expect them in an alliance of so many countries.
Keep in mind that some EU decisions have to be unilateral and can be veto-ed by any country. Just look at what happens in UN which is essentially blocked from taking any actions because of veto power of certain countries.
NO, Eithet my party wins, OR my head explodes
far right should have no say in politics. the end. Now thats hungarian people choice, and everybody is gonna respect by not doing to HUngary what Putin did to Ukraine. but in the same time, fired them from EU seem fair. Also this should be for any country going crazy. If Le Pen win France , France should also be kick out of EU.
Are you fucking dense? Creating a fascist state isn't part of the democratic process or the same as having a "non mainstream" opinion.
Reddit heads exploding 😁
Time to kick Hungary out. The EU doesn't need autocratic Putin allies in democracy.
Good. The EU needs more diversity of thought and policy.
And the vast majority of posts in threads like this prove that the EU is a mistake...
So Hungary should leave the EU then? :D
It’s a headache for NATO too. Question from an American, this election is essentially illegitimate/rigged right? If so, why haven’t any Hungarian civilians rose up against the government? I understand you guys don’t have guns like us, but the power of the people still outweighs the power of the autocrat.
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It would be like how not only Fox News would be pro-Trump but CNN, NBC and PBS too. And all the major newspapers.
Good question. Maybe, but so far it seems like a legitimate election, or as legitimate as you can get with state media control and a high amount of funding for the ruling party.
This was rigged same way like USA election.
Vote them out.
i like that solution.
Can the EU kick out Hungary?
No.
No, and it shouldn't. Do you throw parts of your country out? Because the EU isn't just any international org.
Why is the default answer to everything on this sub "throw them out"? So much for the unity you're all preaching...
I think they need to be kicked out of Nato and the EU.
Oh so you want exactly what Putin was planning all along? You should worry about your own country, because you are on that path already .
Hey, as dumb as a lot of us are, at least we would never vote for leaving the EU.
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Advocating for the murder of someone because you don't like his political agenda certainly sounds like preaching violence.
No need to worry, the high cholesterol level will take care of it.
It means a headache for us Hungarians too
More like a serious constipation, close to fecal compaction (thats bad).
I know about propaganda and all, but the amount of people voting for these clowns around the world and then cheering for having voted against their own interest - just blows my mind
I agree with the title.
It also means stupid fascists are everywhere.
Poland could ease that headache by not blocking EU sanctions against the Orban government anymore.
Putin's puppet.
i hope he is alive until the day Putin decides to have another special project to free Hungarians
The turnout for this election was 40,01%. This is nothing less then scandalous!
the turnout ws around 70%, what are you talking about?
70,01
It would be great if UK create new Union without Putins bitсhes. Corrupted and impotent Germany showed that Germany cant be leader of Europe.
At least Just the same ongoing headache. At least this Mini-Putin doesn't have nuclear weapons, so he'll unlikely turn out to be full blown brain cancer like the big one.
They spew the most anti EU rhetoric, but they don't leave. What will it take to get Hungary to leave the EU??? Dammit, leave already!
No headache, just kick them out. They already chose russian side.
Cut their funding, activate article 7 and ignore the irrelevant worms. Any Hungarian worth caring about has already left their country.