People were calling on the league to force us to play Wall and the 76ers to play Simmons even tho both of those players didn't want to play and Wall was getting paid not too
What could they do though? Durant doesn’t want to play for the Nets and the Nets are fine with him not playing in this scenario. So can the league force him to another team?
The Nets don't need to bench him to enforce the contract, they just have to say we're not trading you and we expect you to play. Then the burden shifts to KD to either suit up or sit out. What can the League do then? They're not going to make the Nets trade him I don't think.
Joe Tsai doesn’t need to sit him. He can still let him play, just don’t trade him to a different team for bad value and stop listening to his petty demands.
I’d be cool with it, players have been pains with 1-2 years left on their contract but 4? This is a dangerous precedent if Durant successfully forces his way out for less than perceived market value and will probably lead to a lockout. It’s clear players are signing these contracts to get paid with the knowledge that they can force their way out later. Not sure where the league stands on this but it’s a major business issue and in my opinion does contribute to ruining the perception of this league. Then again the NBA panders to casuals who probably don’t care so who knows…
I think people are overreacting by saying no one wants to play for us. We literally bent over backwards to accommodate these two, and the rest of the roster (including the famously mercurial Simmons) seem fine.
No shit they’re overreacting. It’s New York players will come. The clippers legit traded Blake after signing him to a massive deal in a scummy move. Kawhi and Paul George didn’t give a shit
That's bs too. The players had a wide stance on being opposed to the snake shit Boston did to I.T., and saying cryptic shit like "the players remember". Yet in the 2019 offseason Kemba Walker still wanted to play there.
If I were Tsai I wouldn’t sit him. I would make him play to honor his contract, and if he refuses then you can fine him or he has to fake an injury or he can sandbag for 4 years. Whatever way he wants to go, the ball will be in KDs court to play seriously or he can waste the final years of his career.
So a guy who bought an NBA team for profit and prestige is going to let his team suffer with a $45 million hole in its payroll for four years, be dogged by media/fans, and become a pariah to free agents because he wants to be petty?
because fans want him to be petty. likely stemming from jealousy or tribalism, ie how dare a millionaire refuse to play out his contract / do this to the nets.
If 45 million is too little for a player to bother playing you think 45 million means a lot to a billionaire??? If both play the waiting game, Tsai wins out.
Why would the Nets lose the salary space? It's like handicapping your team. Nobody would want to sign with them. This would be a self-destructive vendetta.
Players wouldn't want to sign with the nets. Although I honestly feel like at this point most stars won't be looking to the nets already at this point, even if they kicked out Steve Nash and Sean Marks out. And if they do that, then coaches and GM won't be as interested in joining the nets.
Why do you think that? I’m curious because to me the Nets showed they will do almost anything to accommodate these star players, including sacrificing a young nucleus that was starting to figure out how to win. Why wouldn’t stars come if they know the Nets are big pushovers?
I guess I have a different mindset. I see all this and think teams are going to be less likely to ant Durant, not players less likely to want to go to Brooklyn.
If KD said "I want to play" and the Nets held him out to keep him from being injured while they worked on a trade, the league would probably step in like they did with AD in New Orleans. If KD said "I'll never play another game for you" or he played but dogged it in obvious ways and the Nets suspended him without pay, it would definitely go to a grievance between the NBPA and the Nets (similar to the Simmons/Philly situation now). KD not playing and not being traded for >1 year would be completely unprecedented, because even if the team suspended him without pay, his salary still counts for cap/luxury tax purposes. Rich guys don't get rich by spending $100M+ (KD's luxury tax even if he's not paid salary) on a worthless asset, eventually getting 40% return is better than nothing and KD moves on.
The Nets want KD to play, it's really up to KD whether or not he wants to play on the Nets. Maybe he plays on the Nets this year with a healthy Kyrie & Simmons while winning a ton of games, and all of this gets forgotten (kind of like Kobe with the Lakers).
It would be tricky because the league would almost certainly step in, but the team also has the player under contract (players are actual employees to the team and not independent contractors or NBA employees) and could go after the league in court if they really wanted to fight back. I'm not sure how the process with arbitration vs actual court would work with the NBA since they probably have a process defined, but it would turn into a pissing match for certain.
I dont think its about the Nets sitting KD. KD wants a trade of Nash/Marks fired. If neither happens and Nets call his play, it will be KD choosing not to play, which they can fine him for.
If the Nets sat Durant for 4 years, fan reaction would slowly scale to a Durant face turn crescendoing when he is "freed" allowing him to have a washed season with another team.
If I were the owner I would not trade KD unless there is a truly fair return. ... If not and he doesn't want to be there, I would still not trade him. Pay him but make him show up to every required practice/event per the CBA. Tell the coach to bench him (DNP coaches decision) until he actually wants to play and is all in with the team again... Joe Tsai has enough money to not care and he is also probably pissed off about the demands from KD. Others argue that top tier free agents won't go to Brooklyn in the future. May be true for some but not all. ... I was also thinking the same thing for the James harden rockets situation... The owner has all the leverage against a guy who is trying build on their legacy.
Tsai and the front office make the first decision. They either trade him, inform him they are keeping him and expect him to play or work out some agreement to keep him away from the team. If they ask him to play, the ball shifts to KD's court and he has to decide to suit up or stay home, and in the latter case, he will likely be fined by the team.
I hope the nba and the nets fine KD for sitting lmao. The owner has literally done everything the player wants expect for talking to him about an assistant coach. Even moved harden when the deal made sense. Kd just salty Draymond might go down with a better legacy then him when its all said and done.
You can't not play a guy if you wants to play. We saw this with AD on the Pelicans. KD would cave. There's no scenario where KD and the Nets both agree to him not playing for the duration of his contract. Idk how long KD will hold out by not playing but there's a 0% it's four years lol.
You forgot the most important aspect: the Nets don’t gave up most of their draft picks, so regardless of any possible contract valuations, they simply can’t afford to sit him.
He would just retire if he thought that was going to happen. Then sue to get out of his contract citing the first year he forced him to sit as grounds for nullification of the contract. Then Un retire.
Well for one, the Nets lose out on a very large haul for Durant. Weren't the Celtics already willing to offer Jaylen Brown, Derrick White, Grant Williams and a bunch of picks for him?
Put him in the starting lineup every night , and if he is visibly dogging it, yank his ass and bury him on the end of the bench for the rest of the game. If he refuses to play , suspend without pay . Wash, rinse , repeat until he decides this can’t be his legacy. The league can’t force an owner to make a trade he doesn’t want to make and if I’m a billionaire, I would whisper in Durants ear that I can and will do this for four years if you think you have more power than I do. It would be a good learning moment for the entire league and shape the new bargaining agreement. The players greed is about to catch up with them and it’s going to cost them a chunk of the rights they have fought decades to acquire and that’s going to be Durants legacy if he doesn’t just stfu and play.
Why would they sit him? If they cant trade him, make him play. If KD doesn't wanna play then he should be fined for every game missed, just like Simmons.
The repercussions are the Nets don’t get Durant on the court and they don’t get anything in return. Which is a very hard pill to swallow for the owner and the fans. It’s like buying a ribeye steak and never cooking it to spite yourself. It just doesn’t make any sense whatsoever.
Pay him for the entirely to do nothing on principle. I respect the strategy but even getting a lone second rounder back is worth more than paying him boatloads to do nothing
I don't see this as a possible outcome and OP framed it like it would be the Nets decision for him not to play. The Nets would never not let him play. It would/will be on KD to decide if he wants to hold out for a trade or play thru until it arrives. If KD holds out, then the Nets don't have to pay him (or more accurately fine him his game wage for not playing). The CBA is already heading towards major upheaval in the power structure. But if it lasted 4 years, the Nets would probably be labeled as petty for not accepting realistic offers and holding KD.
If Durant was willing to play and the Nets were sitting him against his wishes the league would step in and make him play, because at that point Tsai isn't just screwing Durant but all 29 other owners (by making the product worse).
I'm fairly certain the league would step in long before that 4 years is up.
People were calling on the league to force us to play Wall and the 76ers to play Simmons even tho both of those players didn't want to play and Wall was getting paid not too
What could they do though? Durant doesn’t want to play for the Nets and the Nets are fine with him not playing in this scenario. So can the league force him to another team?
They stepped in right away with the AD situation.
The Nets don't need to bench him to enforce the contract, they just have to say we're not trading you and we expect you to play. Then the burden shifts to KD to either suit up or sit out. What can the League do then? They're not going to make the Nets trade him I don't think.
Instruct all the other players to never pass him the ball
Honestly the Nets get a pretty bad ramification as well. Who the hell would want to sign there if they actually go through with it.
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Why would they sit him though? I'd keep him on the team and if he refuses to play you keep him but don't pay him.
Are they allowed to just not pay him? I thought he gets played regardless of what he does?
"greatests of all time of our time"
Joe Tsai doesn’t need to sit him. He can still let him play, just don’t trade him to a different team for bad value and stop listening to his petty demands.
Joe can just make it his GMs problem tbh and play that card. He’s not the day to day. He’s just the money.
I’d be cool with it, players have been pains with 1-2 years left on their contract but 4? This is a dangerous precedent if Durant successfully forces his way out for less than perceived market value and will probably lead to a lockout. It’s clear players are signing these contracts to get paid with the knowledge that they can force their way out later. Not sure where the league stands on this but it’s a major business issue and in my opinion does contribute to ruining the perception of this league. Then again the NBA panders to casuals who probably don’t care so who knows…
I see this a lot, but as far as precedents go, it's fairly harmless.
I think people are overreacting by saying no one wants to play for us. We literally bent over backwards to accommodate these two, and the rest of the roster (including the famously mercurial Simmons) seem fine.
You kidding? Ben Simmons wants to sign a supermax extension with those terms.
I don’t think that’s true these guys love money. If the nets were offering significantly more dollars than a competitor players would still come.
No shit they’re overreacting. It’s New York players will come. The clippers legit traded Blake after signing him to a massive deal in a scummy move. Kawhi and Paul George didn’t give a shit
That's bs too. The players had a wide stance on being opposed to the snake shit Boston did to I.T., and saying cryptic shit like "the players remember". Yet in the 2019 offseason Kemba Walker still wanted to play there.
100% guarantee the NBA wouldn't allow it.
Honest question - why? On what authority?
If I were Tsai I wouldn’t sit him. I would make him play to honor his contract, and if he refuses then you can fine him or he has to fake an injury or he can sandbag for 4 years. Whatever way he wants to go, the ball will be in KDs court to play seriously or he can waste the final years of his career.
He is a billionaire because he doesn't do dumb shit like this.
the nba would step in if a team was intentionally doing this against the players wishes.
The league can force a team to uphold its contract obligations and league obligations.
I mean it's tongue and cheek by nature but couldn't the nets say he just didn't make the rotation?
What big checks? KD ain’t getting paid if he chooses to sit out.
It’s kind of on Durant. If he wants to play, he’ll play. If he’s refusing to play for the Nets though, that’s on him.
Nets would be one of my favorite NBA teams
I would love to see this. It would never go on for four years, but if the Nets could hold strong for even a year it would send a strong message.
We could do it for this year since we own our own pick. Next year would be rough
You would love to see one of the most exciting basketball players of all time to just not play?
They would be my favorite Eastern Confrence team.
Wait……you think the OWNER is the one being petty?!? Holy shit. Lolol
Too right.
KD would be making burners for the rest of his life talking about KD "what ifs" in 2022
KD might lose 40 mil a year doing this, but Joe Tsai probably loses 100-200 mil in team value by doing so.
So a guy who bought an NBA team for profit and prestige is going to let his team suffer with a $45 million hole in its payroll for four years, be dogged by media/fans, and become a pariah to free agents because he wants to be petty?
because fans want him to be petty. likely stemming from jealousy or tribalism, ie how dare a millionaire refuse to play out his contract / do this to the nets.
If 45 million is too little for a player to bother playing you think 45 million means a lot to a billionaire??? If both play the waiting game, Tsai wins out.
Nobody would ever willingly sign with the Nets again
I won't expect another big name to sign there for a while anyway.
You mean like after the clippers sent off Blake to Detroit after signing a huge deal with them ?
🧢 and you know it
Sigh, I hate this part of the off-season.
A team cannot just not allow a player to play for no reason, and even if they tried he could file a grievance alongside the players union.
The roles are flipped though
Why would the Nets lose the salary space? It's like handicapping your team. Nobody would want to sign with them. This would be a self-destructive vendetta.
A perma-grin on my face. Efff that Cupsnake
Players wouldn't want to sign with the nets. Although I honestly feel like at this point most stars won't be looking to the nets already at this point, even if they kicked out Steve Nash and Sean Marks out. And if they do that, then coaches and GM won't be as interested in joining the nets.
Why do you think that? I’m curious because to me the Nets showed they will do almost anything to accommodate these star players, including sacrificing a young nucleus that was starting to figure out how to win. Why wouldn’t stars come if they know the Nets are big pushovers?
I guess I have a different mindset. I see all this and think teams are going to be less likely to ant Durant, not players less likely to want to go to Brooklyn.
Shop him to G league to work on the mental aspects of the game.
KD is one of the faces of the league, I truly think they league would step in behind the scenes to try and force some kind of compromise.
The Nets don't have their draft picks, so sucking and being bad would make other teams better. It's like the opposite of tanking, just being shit.
Agree to disagree
Sitting him means he is willing to play but the team prevents it? Just making sure we are on the same page.
KD ain’t sitting for four years. You can tell he’s desperate to get another championship.
Why would the nets stop him tho?
If KD said "I want to play" and the Nets held him out to keep him from being injured while they worked on a trade, the league would probably step in like they did with AD in New Orleans. If KD said "I'll never play another game for you" or he played but dogged it in obvious ways and the Nets suspended him without pay, it would definitely go to a grievance between the NBPA and the Nets (similar to the Simmons/Philly situation now). KD not playing and not being traded for >1 year would be completely unprecedented, because even if the team suspended him without pay, his salary still counts for cap/luxury tax purposes. Rich guys don't get rich by spending $100M+ (KD's luxury tax even if he's not paid salary) on a worthless asset, eventually getting 40% return is better than nothing and KD moves on.
The Nets want KD to play, it's really up to KD whether or not he wants to play on the Nets. Maybe he plays on the Nets this year with a healthy Kyrie & Simmons while winning a ton of games, and all of this gets forgotten (kind of like Kobe with the Lakers).
"Shooting 3pters is overrated."
It would be tricky because the league would almost certainly step in, but the team also has the player under contract (players are actual employees to the team and not independent contractors or NBA employees) and could go after the league in court if they really wanted to fight back. I'm not sure how the process with arbitration vs actual court would work with the NBA since they probably have a process defined, but it would turn into a pissing match for certain.
I dont think its about the Nets sitting KD. KD wants a trade of Nash/Marks fired. If neither happens and Nets call his play, it will be KD choosing not to play, which they can fine him for.
No star would ever want to play for the current Brooklyn management again. Probably not worth shooting your own foot
If the Nets sat Durant for 4 years, fan reaction would slowly scale to a Durant face turn crescendoing when he is "freed" allowing him to have a washed season with another team.
If I were the owner I would not trade KD unless there is a truly fair return. ... If not and he doesn't want to be there, I would still not trade him. Pay him but make him show up to every required practice/event per the CBA. Tell the coach to bench him (DNP coaches decision) until he actually wants to play and is all in with the team again... Joe Tsai has enough money to not care and he is also probably pissed off about the demands from KD. Others argue that top tier free agents won't go to Brooklyn in the future. May be true for some but not all. ... I was also thinking the same thing for the James harden rockets situation... The owner has all the leverage against a guy who is trying build on their legacy.
The Nets should just play him for 30 seconds. A game. Completely ruin his stats. The League can't tell them how or how much to play him.
Tsai and the front office make the first decision. They either trade him, inform him they are keeping him and expect him to play or work out some agreement to keep him away from the team. If they ask him to play, the ball shifts to KD's court and he has to decide to suit up or stay home, and in the latter case, he will likely be fined by the team.
I hope the nba and the nets fine KD for sitting lmao. The owner has literally done everything the player wants expect for talking to him about an assistant coach. Even moved harden when the deal made sense. Kd just salty Draymond might go down with a better legacy then him when its all said and done.
Let him rot on the bench for 4 years. I really wanna see that.
You can't not play a guy if you wants to play. We saw this with AD on the Pelicans. KD would cave. There's no scenario where KD and the Nets both agree to him not playing for the duration of his contract. Idk how long KD will hold out by not playing but there's a 0% it's four years lol.
Dunno. Ask the Lakers about Westbrick
Legacy points deducted.
Didn’t this happen with Carson Palmer, he requested a trade and they said no so he just waited out his contract
No players would ever sign their again….no star players away
It would cost so much money and kneecap the Nets for years to come. Won’t happen.
You forgot the most important aspect: the Nets don’t gave up most of their draft picks, so regardless of any possible contract valuations, they simply can’t afford to sit him.
they lose out on a return for him and lose 200 mil
The Nets would never get a big free agent again, and never get any free agent from KD’s agent.
He would just retire if he thought that was going to happen. Then sue to get out of his contract citing the first year he forced him to sit as grounds for nullification of the contract. Then Un retire.
Well for one, the Nets lose out on a very large haul for Durant. Weren't the Celtics already willing to offer Jaylen Brown, Derrick White, Grant Williams and a bunch of picks for him?
I think most of us would love this outcome but unfortunately for nets the rockets have access to basically all their picks so this would be disastrous
Nah, make him play, only give him 2 minutes per quarter and require him to do full media obligations.
Put him in the starting lineup every night , and if he is visibly dogging it, yank his ass and bury him on the end of the bench for the rest of the game. If he refuses to play , suspend without pay . Wash, rinse , repeat until he decides this can’t be his legacy. The league can’t force an owner to make a trade he doesn’t want to make and if I’m a billionaire, I would whisper in Durants ear that I can and will do this for four years if you think you have more power than I do. It would be a good learning moment for the entire league and shape the new bargaining agreement. The players greed is about to catch up with them and it’s going to cost them a chunk of the rights they have fought decades to acquire and that’s going to be Durants legacy if he doesn’t just stfu and play.
I don't see how Durant's going to sit out his final years. Billionaires are billionaires for a reason
a lot of money spent and a shit team
Why would they sit him? If they cant trade him, make him play. If KD doesn't wanna play then he should be fined for every game missed, just like Simmons.
The repercussions are the Nets don’t get Durant on the court and they don’t get anything in return. Which is a very hard pill to swallow for the owner and the fans. It’s like buying a ribeye steak and never cooking it to spite yourself. It just doesn’t make any sense whatsoever.
Pay him for the entirely to do nothing on principle. I respect the strategy but even getting a lone second rounder back is worth more than paying him boatloads to do nothing
I don't see this as a possible outcome and OP framed it like it would be the Nets decision for him not to play. The Nets would never not let him play. It would/will be on KD to decide if he wants to hold out for a trade or play thru until it arrives. If KD holds out, then the Nets don't have to pay him (or more accurately fine him his game wage for not playing). The CBA is already heading towards major upheaval in the power structure. But if it lasted 4 years, the Nets would probably be labeled as petty for not accepting realistic offers and holding KD.
No superstar would ever want to play in Brooklyn until they rename themselves the Swamp Dragons.
Owner would be ousted by other owners/league
Other owners would support Tsai for not letting a player force his way out.
They would have Durant's money on the books while not being able to actually tank because they don't have their own picks.
Can't he just retire for a year and be free agent?
The league would step in and no one would ever want to play for the Nets again, kind of useless to consider
I'd rather see the Nets drop out for the next four years and KD play elsewhere.
Dumbest thing I've ever read, if he wasn't going to play for us we'd trade him even if at a discount rather than running his contract down.
The reputation of the FO is trash anyway from now on, it wouldn't change much.
If Durant was willing to play and the Nets were sitting him against his wishes the league would step in and make him play, because at that point Tsai isn't just screwing Durant but all 29 other owners (by making the product worse).
Buddy are you for real? Not sure you should post for a while.
You can tell