from reading the paper published by the people who did revive the virus(es) it seems to me like the main purpose of reviving them in the first place is to study them to find ways to eliminate other similar viruses that are threats to places where permafrost is becoming warmer and these viruses are re-entering the ecosystems after tens of thousands of years because of these environments becoming warmer. I feel like this is a valid line of reasoning to do this, idk about you all
Tiny rant but it always annoys me so much when reddit just assumes they know better than the professionals without even engaging with the material. As if most posts only serve to stroke the ego of someone who sees a headline, thinks to himself "I spot the error here" and then sees himself validated in the comments.
It's not really tens of thousands years. Only a few thousand years ago trees grew on arctic coasts of Siberia, which means there was no permafrost back then.
How big is the risk of something like this affecting modern humans in the first place? Using an arms race analogy for viruses and immune systems, wouldn’t it be like digging up some stone clubs to study?
...I came here with a joke in my head and finding out that scientists in the field are actually doing this out of concern rather than limit testing and historical inference made it far, far less funny.
Just to nitpick (molecular biologist with focus on viruses here), you cannot "revive" a virus. It's by most definitions of what "life" entails not a living thing. While there are people who differ in their opinion on that, they are a minority, by a large distance.
Just sayin’, if we know that the permafrost is going to thaw and release all of these old viruses, we might want to do some research on them to prepare for what’s going to happen.
It sure is better if scientists manage to find them and study them, before a random reindeer herder accidentally brings back something worse than the recent SARS 2.0.
Won't those be released as the permafrost melts? So studying them, and having the capacity to fight them before they're released by global warming is actually a really great idea.
“Following initial reports published more than 5 years ago [38, 39], this study confirms the capacity of large DNA viruses infecting Acanthamoeba to remain infectious after more than 48,500 years spent in deep permafrost.”
Oh man! What a callback to my favorite song, “Put that thing back where it came from or so help me”from the titular musical, “Put that thing back where it came from or so help me”
I think that's because a lot of people on this sub (and Reddit in general) don't usually try to read the articles, but assume that reading the headline is enough to understand the situation.
Something to keep in mind, nearly none of these viruses are going to present a threat to us. A virus like covid existed in another species for centuries with constant exposure to a very similar organism (people) before a self propogating infection could mutate out of it. A virus being reintroduced that isn't adapted for today's organisms is unlikely to establish itself before it dies off. It's only because of brutally high replication rates that we have the rapid evolution necessary to keep viruses around. A virus has to have a vector to spread, a way to avoid destruction, and the ability to infect cells in its ecosystem to stay around.
We’ve known there were ancient Virus and Bacterium in the permafrost for year iirc, with the caps melting it only makes sense to study them so we can be prepared for their inevitable return
It's the opposite actually. With the melting permafrost, it's not a far-fetched possibility that similar viruses will be released and wreak havoc upon the local ecosystem, and perhaps even affect humans.
It makes sense to study the viruses because we're doing nothing about global warming. Prayers, thoughts and social media posts aren't going to stop it are they? (Both global warming and the release of these viruses)
The permafrost in Siberia is melting due to climate change, and there's a possibility that it might release old microorganisms and viruses currently frozen within it.
Why is everyone expecting that this will spread and be as bad as covid. Wouldn't it be very behind on the evolutionary scale from the viruses we have today?
Might lack the ability to infect human cells. Might not. People seem to forget that there’s a plethora of viruses that had all the time in the world to mutate and follow the evolution. and most of them infect one (or more) of uncountable species on earth that aren’t human. It’s actually more likely for a virus to not spread onto humans than it is for it to do.
You got to wonder which viruses would be discovered and they are likely viruses that easily spread and propagated. Hence why they are discovered fairly easily tens of thousands of years later. Many infected mammals.
The virus was probably not that dangerous because the number of earth living beings was low and the virus did not travel around the planet; it was locally contained and the virus was most likely confined to one or a few species due to its low level of contamination and evolutionary pressure.
Well, you can revive them in the lab or let them revive themselves in the wild without anyone knowing about it, I'll take the lab every time (at least there we can study them and find out how dangerous they are and how to fight against them if necessary).
Papers on pre-print services such as arXiv and bioRxiv are not peer-reviewed and are ineligible per
from reading the paper published by the people who did revive the virus(es) it seems to me like the main purpose of reviving them in the first place is to study them to find ways to eliminate other similar viruses that are threats to places where permafrost is becoming warmer and these viruses are re-entering the ecosystems after tens of thousands of years because of these environments becoming warmer. I feel like this is a valid line of reasoning to do this, idk about you all
How are they able to date the age of these viruses
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Tiny rant but it always annoys me so much when reddit just assumes they know better than the professionals without even engaging with the material. As if most posts only serve to stroke the ego of someone who sees a headline, thinks to himself "I spot the error here" and then sees himself validated in the comments.
It's not really tens of thousands years. Only a few thousand years ago trees grew on arctic coasts of Siberia, which means there was no permafrost back then.
Sounds a bit like engineering bat virus chimeras to find ways of eliminating future epidemics of bat viruses.
As long as it's done in a BSL-4 facility, there should be any much concern.
This is exactly why they’re doing it.
How big is the risk of something like this affecting modern humans in the first place? Using an arms race analogy for viruses and immune systems, wouldn’t it be like digging up some stone clubs to study?
...I came here with a joke in my head and finding out that scientists in the field are actually doing this out of concern rather than limit testing and historical inference made it far, far less funny.
Just to nitpick (molecular biologist with focus on viruses here), you cannot "revive" a virus. It's by most definitions of what "life" entails not a living thing. While there are people who differ in their opinion on that, they are a minority, by a large distance.
What our response to COVID doesn't give you hope against a genuinely dangerous disease that's more virulent?
Who is funding that? The WHO?
Yeah yeah, that's what they all say
Need to do gain of function research.
Because intentions is what matters
Almost like when they used gain of function research on viruses that could cause a global pandemic....
Wasn't covid being studied for potential effects on humans when it got loose?
The fact that they even have to do this is still depressing and alarming.
A virus isn't a living organism, and thus cannot be revived.
Hopefully they will do a better job at containing the virus than the Wuhan lab did.
The Wuhan Institute of Virology were studying SARS-like bat viruses allegedly for the same reason.
until wuhan 2.0 happens
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Just sayin’, if we know that the permafrost is going to thaw and release all of these old viruses, we might want to do some research on them to prepare for what’s going to happen.
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That's exactly what they were doing...
It sure is better if scientists manage to find them and study them, before a random reindeer herder accidentally brings back something worse than the recent SARS 2.0.
We could also try to stop the melting... Oh wait that didn't do so well did it?
I'd expect a good chunk these are baked into DNA lineage and wouldn't be as troublesome as a novel virus.
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Wonder how many chevrons it uses.
Won't those be released as the permafrost melts? So studying them, and having the capacity to fight them before they're released by global warming is actually a really great idea.
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What could possibly go wrong?
“Following initial reports published more than 5 years ago [38, 39], this study confirms the capacity of large DNA viruses infecting Acanthamoeba to remain infectious after more than 48,500 years spent in deep permafrost.”
When one of them is called pandora-virus, it ain't a good sign...
I've seen at least 10 movies that prove this isn't a good idea.
See see, they are self-aware…
To be fair, better controlled study now than waiting for climate change to throw it all at us.
I was 90% sure this was a link to The Thing
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It would be considered a hoax, hell yeah brother
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Put that thing back where it came from!! Or so help me!!!!!!
I use this quote occasionally ( in proper context ) and nobody ever gets it. Glad to know it's not just me
Bom, bom, bom.
Oh man! What a callback to my favorite song, “Put that thing back where it came from or so help me”from the titular musical, “Put that thing back where it came from or so help me”
Plague Inc scenario any% speed run
I'm still kinda annoyed how their last promotion event went.
I came here for this comment
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Judging by the comments, this subreddit has apparently gone from being dedicated to science to being dedicated to speculative fiction. Neat!
I think that's because a lot of people on this sub (and Reddit in general) don't usually try to read the articles, but assume that reading the headline is enough to understand the situation.
They like to find things that they can quote movies on. Or that their favorite fiction story “warned about this”
good choice to do it now, we have just had a test run with Covid, I am sure everyone remembers what they need to do to save lives.....
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Something to keep in mind, nearly none of these viruses are going to present a threat to us. A virus like covid existed in another species for centuries with constant exposure to a very similar organism (people) before a self propogating infection could mutate out of it. A virus being reintroduced that isn't adapted for today's organisms is unlikely to establish itself before it dies off. It's only because of brutally high replication rates that we have the rapid evolution necessary to keep viruses around. A virus has to have a vector to spread, a way to avoid destruction, and the ability to infect cells in its ecosystem to stay around.
Thank you for saying this, every time this type of post appears it gets filled with pseudo-scientists and people claiming it’s gonna cause armageddon.
We’ve known there were ancient Virus and Bacterium in the permafrost for year iirc, with the caps melting it only makes sense to study them so we can be prepared for their inevitable return
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Please do not the virus
*does the virus*
I think you accidentally a word there
Welcome to
Great , thanks… i forgot about that childhood fear…
This is what we've been missing this decade, yet another disease...
Stop. Please.
I just wanted to make a "The Thing" comment
The Thing is going to come true.
"Do you want a plague? Cuz this is how we get a plague" - Archer, probably
It’s like we’re always trying to find new and unique ways to kill ourselves.
It's the opposite actually. With the melting permafrost, it's not a far-fetched possibility that similar viruses will be released and wreak havoc upon the local ecosystem, and perhaps even affect humans.
"An ancient evil awakens..."
It makes sense to study the viruses because we're doing nothing about global warming. Prayers, thoughts and social media posts aren't going to stop it are they? (Both global warming and the release of these viruses)
What is the purpose of the revivel?
The permafrost in Siberia is melting due to climate change, and there's a possibility that it might release old microorganisms and viruses currently frozen within it.
Full article:
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How do you revive something that is a non-living entity?
I think it was more in the sense that this virus used to be immobile, like how you would call a battery a dead battery.
this would make a good movie. but there probably is one?
Talos principle game backstory
The last ship is a series that uses this premise. First few seasons were good then it got repetitive.
A tv show sorta uses this as a plotline, except its from 800 AD! check out 12 Monkeys! it is fantastic!
It‘s called „Miss Smillas Feeling for Snow“. It‘s a book made into a movie.
Why is everyone expecting that this will spread and be as bad as covid. Wouldn't it be very behind on the evolutionary scale from the viruses we have today?
Might lack the ability to infect human cells. Might not. People seem to forget that there’s a plethora of viruses that had all the time in the world to mutate and follow the evolution. and most of them infect one (or more) of uncountable species on earth that aren’t human. It’s actually more likely for a virus to not spread onto humans than it is for it to do.
You got to wonder which viruses would be discovered and they are likely viruses that easily spread and propagated. Hence why they are discovered fairly easily tens of thousands of years later. Many infected mammals.
Because they are all idiots
..if an OG virus mixed with a current virus it could go bananas
The virus was probably not that dangerous because the number of earth living beings was low and the virus did not travel around the planet; it was locally contained and the virus was most likely confined to one or a few species due to its low level of contamination and evolutionary pressure.
I know a great lab in Wuhan China that should be given the virus to study
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Could this be a good guy… meaning, it makes human stronger against all other viruses ?
Well, you can revive them in the lab or let them revive themselves in the wild without anyone knowing about it, I'll take the lab every time (at least there we can study them and find out how dangerous they are and how to fight against them if necessary).
I feel like, at this point, we're really asking for it...
Oh cool, I was just telling a friend to watch Fortitude. Now he won't need to, he can experience it in real life.
Was just thinking this. I’ll just pass along this article instead of recommending it next time.
I just read a
Ah, love it when I have to guess whether a post is from
JFC. This is not Jumanji! I cannot handle another plague.
Uh.....wasn't there a Baba Vanga prediction about this?
My first thought as well. Spooky
There's Baba Banga prediction about 100% of all future events, ever.
When it starts killing people and mutating into copies of them, you might want to start worrying.
Why does every year after 2018 feel like an apocalypse movie of some kind?!
Was it in 2019 by any chance...
Humans are totally going to responsible for their own extinction.
What's Madonna doing hanging out there? Wakka wakka
Climate Change making a virus? Oh, the far right gonna have fun with that
Well, goodbye everyone.
Was kinda hoping the apophis asteroid would take us out. But this'll do.
Maybe dont revive old viruses? We have a hard enough time dealing with the ones on the loose right now.
Daddy, get the Robitussin…
Have you never seen B grade movies?
Pandoravirus, megavirus and pacmanvirus, eh? Can't wait to see those in action.
oh great another pandemic. so excited!
This will be interesting to watch. There was an article saying that
I've seen 12 monkeys. this isn't gonna end well
Yikes. We had a good run folks.
I've seen this on X-files. It did not end well
I’m sure they’ll come up with a highly contested, world dividing vaccine in record time to solve a 50000yo virus
Whatever viruses they can find, we already will have immunity towards them, deep inside us.
Sequoia Nagamatsu's lovely book "How high we go in the dark" begins the same way.
Just like in the tv show 12 monkeys hell nah
Great...great great great..