I was about to say, as an Energy Control Operator for a city of 70,000+ people in the United States who is in control not only the electrical grid(monitoring substations, circuits, turning people on/off and sending out the lineman and their apprentices to trouble calls) I also monitor the water system and wells/tanks, (same responsibilities as electric) and the gas system, me and my coworkers started talking about the Ukraine situation and the attacks on the utility infrastructure. We are in a secure location but it's just a building. Anyone could find it on Google maps. We got to talking about how easy it would be for terrorists to to royally fuck up the power grid.
i am in Ukraine now, yes we have sometimes blackouts, but almost every shop, coffee, and other business have generators, we know who cut our electricity it's ruzian animals. They made bots in "telegram" to spread panic, they even can't do good translation to our language, they think we will start blaming government, but effect is opposite, dumb Ruzland
This should tell you why there is increasing calls for diplomacy with Russia from the West. The West doesn't want to escalate the military aid and Ukraine can't/isn't allowed to attack Russian territory. So if Russia wants to, they can lob missiles all day and all night at civilians even if they lose the occupied territory. Eventually the attrition will cause a toll. They have no qualms and endless munitions to do so (even if what they launch is low tech or outdated it doesn't matter, they dont need precision).
I don't think russia targeting the substations while technicians are working is that big of a concern ukraine can detect missile launch and move the technicians out before they hit
The answer here is a distinct and emphatic, it depends. Because Russia is attacking these sites specifically to cause harm to civilians it is. But you can legally attack power stations in war if it has legitimate military goals. During Desert Storm in 1991 the coalition forces hit Iraqi power stations and communication nodes in Baghdad specifically to cripple Iraq's ability to respond effectively during the push into Kuwait. A similar situation in 2001 Afghanistan with NATO hitting similar targets in Kabul in order to weaken the Taliban's ability to respond and coordinate.
It likely is criminal, at least in terms of Protocol I (1977; amending the Geneva convention) - both Ukraine and the Russian Federation have ratified it. The US does things covered in the Protocol, but they are pretty open about it and never ratified due to that reason.
Neither Ukraine nor Russia are state parties to the Rome Statute and therefore normally the ICC does not have any jurisdiction- in order for a crime to be committed there must be laws. That of course doesn't make things right, you could make murder legal and then say you have eliminated crime but things wouldn't be better.
I don't get why they would intentionally damage critical infrastructure if they claim its Russian territory. Wouldn't they have to repair everything they damaged if they won?
Energy grid is a valid war target. As are bridges. In reality though considering winter and how many civilians might die from this... It's a a grey area. It probably depends on who you are rooting for.
It’s war….. sucks but unless we want direct NATO involvement not much to do…. Historically attacks against civilian populations just increase the will the resist.
They explained it on Russian tv, that they tried to come forward to their Slavic brothers, but instead with flowers they were welcomed with violence by the nazi regime and the society is too deeply brainwashed to be saved, so it needs to be destroyed.
This was always about resourses only. And i am kinda tired of explaining it to the people who think there are some ideological reasons behind it. Putin wants the grasp on rich natural supplies, but oligarchs from Ukraine wanted to profit from it as well, so they organized a revolution to overthrow Putin's puppet president. Putin got mad about it, and started using the only method he knows - violence.
It is a war on all of Europe: Putin knows that tens of millions of Ukrainians will be forced into other countries in order to survive the winter, continuing his long-term plan of destabilizing the West.
Well thanks, i work at one in Ukraine. Not only we have to deal with this bullshit power shortages while the dough is rising now i have to worry thay they will target us just cause the bread is attracting people! Jokes aside, there are tons of examples that i saw here that support this. Massive attacks during our national holidays, civilian buildings hit as well as roads used to transport goods (our city saw massive upscaling of trucks as we have a river port connecting us to the middle of Europe)
They are already to some degree in Belgorod. But I don't think it's wise to do this when Russia is attempting to convince their citizens that this war was an effort to avoid the invasion of their territory.
This is exactly what the general now in charge did in Aleppo. Scorched earth all the way and hope their adversaries lose the will to fight on. I still don’t understand why Ukraine can’t hit Russia back. If shit starts exploding in St. PB and Moscow things will change. Shut the Russian power grid down and see Putin hanged.
For all those who believe that bombing power plants is a legal target, I want to ask a question, do you know for what purpose they are bombed? Why are transformers bombed in places where there is no railway and why are railway bridges not damaged? In the city where I am now, the Russians have been trying for a week to get into the solar power plant, which, attention, fed the bus stops. At the same time, more than 14 houses were damaged.
I live in Finland and years ago I thought that if Russia some day attacks Finland, we are really in a trouble, if they start to bomb our power plants. This was often in my mind when I saw those power plants. You see, here in Finland we have strange things in the air. We feel what is going on in Russia and what might happen. Later you notice that the feeling was right. Something pops up in the news and you realize that this was the thing in the air. This phenomenon is something mysterious.
During war, this kind of infrastructure is the first thing attacked. Just like factories being bombed. Part of defence doctrine is to prepare for that and retaliate.
I wondered why Russia just didn't do this when the war started. Then it came to me that when it started, they were trying to conquer a nation and annex it without rebuilding infrastructure.
I say we just never lift the sanctions. Let's give Russia 100 years to demonstrate they've learned how to act like decent civilized people and then revisit the issue.
I wonder if Ukraine could order smaller, more mobile gas turbines that GE produces. Maybe order some that could be mounted to the back of a truck, deployed, and quickly hooked up to the grid as needed. Actually, that's not a bad idea because that could be very useful in any disaster or wartime situation.
I heard something about how this is in part designed to disrupt their rail lines and then as a result their logistics and resupply operations. The terror is a intended side effect, but it seems like there is some military utility to it.
Regardless of what power it uses, when your country has no electricity, your logistics for a war effort gets fubar'd, supplies don't just magically materialize onto diesel trains for example.
The end result is you divert power to military instead of civilian infrastructure and the military can continue doing all they need. So not much use after 8 months in terms of military use
If Russia was a person, they would be declared a criminally insane homicidal psychopath, locked up, and the key thrown away. There is no excuse for this behavior.
Ok this has gotten dirty huh, ok now Ukraine gotta really hit Russia where it hurts anything goes Russia continuely attacking Ukrainian civilians now they hitting there power grid, because Ukraine is running cycles around them on the battle field weak!! Now it's eye for an eye, Russians disparation is really showing now, Ukraine keep your foot on there necks intil the bully is defeated once and for all fight on Ukraine ✊
So russia should totally bombard the US, UN nations. As they have fucked off the agreement that was put into, after the collapse of the USSR. Now that that has happened, He is super passed that the un wants to move their.. missile systems, literally on the door step. Tell me if Russia, Cuba, Brazil, and whom ever in South America stationed misses in Mexico The US would not be doing the same. Only Russia has help yo their end, well they did.
Trash terrorists. My parents don't have electricity for 5 days, and they both are disabled old people. Fuck russia, fuck putin, and fuck pussy silence russians.
The reason why this doesn't work is because it was done too late. Putin should have done this at the start, not this too late, because now it's seen as an act of desperation by Ukrainians rather than some sort of shock and awe or demonstration of power.
This was the done earlier because when you occupy a territory, you still need functioning utilities etc. Ppl still need home, food, energy etc. If you destroy everything, then it's also worthless and you need to rebuild them all.
Not sure why they keep doing this. Maybe I’m assuming things, but I have a feeling most Ukrainians would rather live in a log cabin at this point with only wood stove heat rather than live under Russian rule. Seeing family members and friends brutally killed will kind of do that to you. :/
Ukraine needs a counter-offensive deep into Russia to send the message. This was such an un-provoked war. It has devastated the lives of millions and continues to do so...everyday.
People should remember this when talking about how Russia is losing and the war is close to being over. What it means is that Russia will turn to increasingly destructive methods. Even if they do lose, the country will be reduced to rubble. If only peaceful negotiations had been seriously considered from the get go. But here we are.
The amount of people here pretending usa wouldn't do the same and that usa also doesn't commit war crimes just as much as russia is hilarious. I know the majority of ppl here are from USA but that's what my country would do to if at war, every country would, its war. Except for the war crimes part ofc.
In Europe we are already talking about restriction of Electricity so we potentially don’t even have enough energy for our home. And anyway Ukraine people will flee to the west and it will be an other issue to deal with.
Russia is trying to make all Ukrainians immigrate and Ukraine to become the dead zone between Russia and the west. 1/4 of the population is already out. Another 1/4 dead or out by the end of the winter….all this because Zelensky cannot get along with a superpower. Oh well🤷🏻♂️
Russia is a bitch nation, unimportant to the world. Putin is threatening to take all of Europe even still. He's not going to get anything outside more humiliation. No one is going to allow Putins conquest to be successful.
There are so many current and ex world leaders that I can't wait to see their asses get kicked. With all the bullshit going around, we are hitting a limit.
I was about to say, as an Energy Control Operator for a city of 70,000+ people in the United States who is in control not only the electrical grid(monitoring substations, circuits, turning people on/off and sending out the lineman and their apprentices to trouble calls) I also monitor the water system and wells/tanks, (same responsibilities as electric) and the gas system, me and my coworkers started talking about the Ukraine situation and the attacks on the utility infrastructure. We are in a secure location but it's just a building. Anyone could find it on Google maps. We got to talking about how easy it would be for terrorists to to royally fuck up the power grid.
That's a war crime.
Ukraine has good air defence cover, they can't intercept everything but they can spot it coming. The only real hazard to responders is sub munitions.
Yo don't give putin any ideas
This is the smart though not exactly moral move and if the Russians get their shit together that would be a real blow
i am in Ukraine now, yes we have sometimes blackouts, but almost every shop, coffee, and other business have generators, we know who cut our electricity it's ruzian animals. They made bots in "telegram" to spread panic, they even can't do good translation to our language, they think we will start blaming government, but effect is opposite, dumb Ruzland
This should tell you why there is increasing calls for diplomacy with Russia from the West. The West doesn't want to escalate the military aid and Ukraine can't/isn't allowed to attack Russian territory. So if Russia wants to, they can lob missiles all day and all night at civilians even if they lose the occupied territory. Eventually the attrition will cause a toll. They have no qualms and endless munitions to do so (even if what they launch is low tech or outdated it doesn't matter, they dont need precision).
They likely don't have enough cruise missiles left to do that.
I don't think russia targeting the substations while technicians are working is that big of a concern ukraine can detect missile launch and move the technicians out before they hit
that would never happen
We need UA to have long distance missiles to strike inside Russia. Deep.... Take out critical infrastructure. Fuck Russia.. They need a bloody nose.
Oh, they do that regularly.
Is this a legal/justifiable war tactic? Seems awfully close to terrorism and targeting civilians with winter approaching.
I don’t understand international laws, but I don’t see how they can be enforced without starting WWIII when it’s Russia attacking.
It IS a war crime since almost none of these stations are anywhere near the front-line.
The answer here is a distinct and emphatic, it depends. Because Russia is attacking these sites specifically to cause harm to civilians it is. But you can legally attack power stations in war if it has legitimate military goals. During Desert Storm in 1991 the coalition forces hit Iraqi power stations and communication nodes in Baghdad specifically to cripple Iraq's ability to respond effectively during the push into Kuwait. A similar situation in 2001 Afghanistan with NATO hitting similar targets in Kabul in order to weaken the Taliban's ability to respond and coordinate.
It likely is criminal, at least in terms of Protocol I (1977; amending the Geneva convention) - both Ukraine and the Russian Federation have ratified it. The US does things covered in the Protocol, but they are pretty open about it and never ratified due to that reason.
No. It’s straight up terrorism and war crime.
war is well organized and funded terrorism
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Neither Ukraine nor Russia are state parties to the Rome Statute and therefore normally the ICC does not have any jurisdiction- in order for a crime to be committed there must be laws. That of course doesn't make things right, you could make murder legal and then say you have eliminated crime but things wouldn't be better.
I think it could be considered genocide.
Go look up what we did to Iraq and Afghanistan and all previous wars.
I don't get why they would intentionally damage critical infrastructure if they claim its Russian territory. Wouldn't they have to repair everything they damaged if they won?
Everything they’ve been doing is war crimes so it’s not new
Energy grid is a valid war target. As are bridges. In reality though considering winter and how many civilians might die from this... It's a a grey area. It probably depends on who you are rooting for.
Have you not seen what Russia has done so far? They don’t care, they commited so many war crimes.
Someone should just arrest Russia already...
Not a war crime it’s on par with siege warfare. Anything that can help the army be it on the front line or the rear is a legitimate target.
https://www.ispsw.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/718_Lin.pdf
That’s because it is terrorism and a war crime.
is there anything ever actually legal when it comes to actual war? Let's get real for a moment.
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It’s war….. sucks but unless we want direct NATO involvement not much to do…. Historically attacks against civilian populations just increase the will the resist.
Remember how the Russian propaganda was originally about liberating the people of Ukraine?
They explained it on Russian tv, that they tried to come forward to their Slavic brothers, but instead with flowers they were welcomed with violence by the nazi regime and the society is too deeply brainwashed to be saved, so it needs to be destroyed.
Russia isn’t a free country, so now they’re going to liberate someone else? What a joke, it never even passed the straight face test.
Welcome to the first fully fledged batch of the climate resource wars
This was always about resourses only. And i am kinda tired of explaining it to the people who think there are some ideological reasons behind it. Putin wants the grasp on rich natural supplies, but oligarchs from Ukraine wanted to profit from it as well, so they organized a revolution to overthrow Putin's puppet president. Putin got mad about it, and started using the only method he knows - violence.
This is clearly a war on the civilians in Ukraine. When all is said and done I really hope Putin gets his comeuppance…
It is a war on all of Europe: Putin knows that tens of millions of Ukrainians will be forced into other countries in order to survive the winter, continuing his long-term plan of destabilizing the West.
Tested in Syria. They will do it again with no hesitation cause nobody stopped them last time.
This is the best tl;dr I could make,
In Syria they were bombing bakeries, specially at the time people would go out to buy their bread.
Well thanks, i work at one in Ukraine. Not only we have to deal with this bullshit power shortages while the dough is rising now i have to worry thay they will target us just cause the bread is attracting people! Jokes aside, there are tons of examples that i saw here that support this. Massive attacks during our national holidays, civilian buildings hit as well as roads used to transport goods (our city saw massive upscaling of trucks as we have a river port connecting us to the middle of Europe)
That’s always been the russian military’s MO. They can’t really fight, they win wars by flattening cities and murdering every civilian they see.
They also bomb humanitarian aid places in Ukraine at time that have the most people there. It is happening every day.
its time to do the same thing to russia
They'll never stop without getting hit in the face.
They are already to some degree in Belgorod. But I don't think it's wise to do this when Russia is attempting to convince their citizens that this war was an effort to avoid the invasion of their territory.
Sure let’s start a nuclear war. Great idea. Because now it’s either that, Ukraine gets completely destroyed, or a peace is negotiated.
So, why don't you go and do it then?
Well Russia is a terrorist regime committing genocide in Ukraine. So this isn't surprising.
Damaging civilian critical infrastructure is a war crime under Geneva Conventions.
Genocide where? Like calling everyone who voted for Trump a NAZI, you actually desensitise the word genocide when you use it for every war crime.
This is exactly what the general now in charge did in Aleppo. Scorched earth all the way and hope their adversaries lose the will to fight on. I still don’t understand why Ukraine can’t hit Russia back. If shit starts exploding in St. PB and Moscow things will change. Shut the Russian power grid down and see Putin hanged.
For all those who believe that bombing power plants is a legal target, I want to ask a question, do you know for what purpose they are bombed? Why are transformers bombed in places where there is no railway and why are railway bridges not damaged? In the city where I am now, the Russians have been trying for a week to get into the solar power plant, which, attention, fed the bus stops. At the same time, more than 14 houses were damaged.
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Because America did it in Serbia, Iraq etc etc. Anyone who is anti-Russian because Russia is bombing power stations, needs to be anti-American.
At this point it’s time to just go full court press against Russia.
How about we finally sanction countries trading with Russia?
So what is Russia's next step after this?
What Russia is doing is terrible. It’s worse than bombing ppl directly and they know it.
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. The time to arm Ukraine with long range missiles has passed. Return the favor to katsapland tenfold!
I hope Putin gets exactly what Gaddafi got
I live in Finland and years ago I thought that if Russia some day attacks Finland, we are really in a trouble, if they start to bomb our power plants. This was often in my mind when I saw those power plants. You see, here in Finland we have strange things in the air. We feel what is going on in Russia and what might happen. Later you notice that the feeling was right. Something pops up in the news and you realize that this was the thing in the air. This phenomenon is something mysterious.
Weird things like what? UFOs? Drones? Or is this a figure of speech?
During war, this kind of infrastructure is the first thing attacked. Just like factories being bombed. Part of defence doctrine is to prepare for that and retaliate.
Their missiles aren't precise enough to hit anything smaller.
you misspelled terrorist regime, subby. War crime committing terrorists would also be acceptable as a headline.
That’s so fucked… Putin is cruel
When I read this I wonder, if Russia actually won this war, what value would a devastated country have for them?
I think NATO need to be calling this out more and being a bit more proactive in assisting Ukraine.
I don't understand why they don't do the same to every Russian power station they can reach. Fuck em.
they know they're losing so they're sabotaging civilians and power grids, etc. all during winter... beyond fucked up.
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I wondered why Russia just didn't do this when the war started. Then it came to me that when it started, they were trying to conquer a nation and annex it without rebuilding infrastructure.
They thought they could just occupy the country. The war was lost before it even began.
I say we just never lift the sanctions. Let's give Russia 100 years to demonstrate they've learned how to act like decent civilized people and then revisit the issue.
I think a more adaptive approach is called for. But let’s check back in 10 years time..
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I wonder if Ukraine could order smaller, more mobile gas turbines that GE produces. Maybe order some that could be mounted to the back of a truck, deployed, and quickly hooked up to the grid as needed. Actually, that's not a bad idea because that could be very useful in any disaster or wartime situation.
I think Ukraine doesn't care about NOx and CO2 right now, but the problem is that substations are destroyed.
How about punishing war crimes by sending wave after wave of hit squads to eliminate putler, his cronies and the faces of the propaganda machine.
I heard something about how this is in part designed to disrupt their rail lines and then as a result their logistics and resupply operations. The terror is a intended side effect, but it seems like there is some military utility to it.
Regardless of what power it uses, when your country has no electricity, your logistics for a war effort gets fubar'd, supplies don't just magically materialize onto diesel trains for example.
The end result is you divert power to military instead of civilian infrastructure and the military can continue doing all they need. So not much use after 8 months in terms of military use
Yes, it is mostly electric, at least in central and eastern parts of the country.
The Ukrainian rail network is 80% electric.
If Russia was a person, they would be declared a criminally insane homicidal psychopath, locked up, and the key thrown away. There is no excuse for this behavior.
Nailed the thumbnail.
No military targets just simply trying to kill the population freezing them up, nice!!!
We are here to rid you of the nazi corruption by freezing you in your homes and risking a nuclear disaster at your power plants. You're welcome!
It's all they can do since in the actual fighting they're getting their ass kicked.
Would be a good opportunity to decentralize the country's power grid to renewables of various types.
Disgusting, winter is going to be extremely rough
Ok this has gotten dirty huh, ok now Ukraine gotta really hit Russia where it hurts anything goes Russia continuely attacking Ukrainian civilians now they hitting there power grid, because Ukraine is running cycles around them on the battle field weak!! Now it's eye for an eye, Russians disparation is really showing now, Ukraine keep your foot on there necks intil the bully is defeated once and for all fight on Ukraine ✊
So russia should totally bombard the US, UN nations. As they have fucked off the agreement that was put into, after the collapse of the USSR. Now that that has happened, He is super passed that the un wants to move their.. missile systems, literally on the door step. Tell me if Russia, Cuba, Brazil, and whom ever in South America stationed misses in Mexico The US would not be doing the same. Only Russia has help yo their end, well they did.
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Sir C C, You have no posting history, which creates no credibility with your comments
Trash terrorists. My parents don't have electricity for 5 days, and they both are disabled old people. Fuck russia, fuck putin, and fuck pussy silence russians.
Russia is asshole.
leave an entire population angry and cold? be surprised when they move into your homes.
Does he have an onlyfans?
Unless we plan on sending troops in and risking WW3, then shouting war crimes won’t do shit.
The reason why this doesn't work is because it was done too late. Putin should have done this at the start, not this too late, because now it's seen as an act of desperation by Ukrainians rather than some sort of shock and awe or demonstration of power.
This was the done earlier because when you occupy a territory, you still need functioning utilities etc. Ppl still need home, food, energy etc. If you destroy everything, then it's also worthless and you need to rebuild them all.
Terrorists. Targeting civilian infrastructure is against the Geneva convention and international rules of war
But power stations are legitimate targets, the armed forces still use the grid so it’s makes it a target.
When the war is done, I hope the world sends waves of people to Ukraine to help rebuild in a timely manner.
Yeah paid by who ?
Russia is a war criminal and terrorist plain and simple.
Since they have star link, maybe musk can get them tesla batteries and their solar setup. Bam.
Not sure why they keep doing this. Maybe I’m assuming things, but I have a feeling most Ukrainians would rather live in a log cabin at this point with only wood stove heat rather than live under Russian rule. Seeing family members and friends brutally killed will kind of do that to you. :/
is it a shitty thing to do? yes.
They are attacking a country anyway so why bother with some useless law that no country respect when they go boom other country ?
“The first casualty of war is the Truth”. Who was it said that? A famous US general, I believe.
Fucking cunts.
Russia. Just to be clear.
And the world let them.
What do you want to do ? Bomb’em and start a Nuclear war ?
These are not war crimes.
If you blow it up you have to fix it
The cruelty is, and has always been a tactic in Putin’s war.
Smh
Give Ukraine what they need. F Russia. Bitches
that's war, youd expected it at the beginning of an invasion though...
that's quite firmly against the codes of war tho. The red cross have it listed quite easily.
No unless you plan to occupy those territories.
So according to them, they're doing all of this to Russian territory.
Let Ukraine attack interior targets with our weapons, if they are going to keep killing civilians, all bets are off fuck them.
I'm genuinely surprised Puton hasn't "fallen" out of a window yet.
Ukraine needs a counter-offensive deep into Russia to send the message. This was such an un-provoked war. It has devastated the lives of millions and continues to do so...everyday.
So no star studded zelenskyy Christmas special this year???
People should remember this when talking about how Russia is losing and the war is close to being over. What it means is that Russia will turn to increasingly destructive methods. Even if they do lose, the country will be reduced to rubble. If only peaceful negotiations had been seriously considered from the get go. But here we are.
Russia didn't want to negotiate in good faith many months ago, they were just buying time.
The amount of people here pretending usa wouldn't do the same and that usa also doesn't commit war crimes just as much as russia is hilarious. I know the majority of ppl here are from USA but that's what my country would do to if at war, every country would, its war. Except for the war crimes part ofc.
Most countries retreating in a war don't have the means to destroy everything while they're doing so.
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The USA is not the topic of conversation here.
Is this a repost or smth? It's old news, I've been getting 4-5h outages every 4h for a month now.
You could just read the article.
When can Europe connect its power grid to theirs?
Connection of another grid to a destroyed grid doesn’t change much for those who are served by the destroyed one
European grid is connected. Actuslly one of the connection point near the place where AA rocket fallen in Poland.
In Europe we are already talking about restriction of Electricity so we potentially don’t even have enough energy for our home. And anyway Ukraine people will flee to the west and it will be an other issue to deal with.
Cool
Russia is trying to make all Ukrainians immigrate and Ukraine to become the dead zone between Russia and the west. 1/4 of the population is already out. Another 1/4 dead or out by the end of the winter….all this because Zelensky cannot get along with a superpower. Oh well🤷🏻♂️
The Russians didn't want to get along with Ukraine, you mean?
What? Zelenskyy gets along with the US fine. What are you talking about?
Russia wont retreat quietly
Even better is for Crimea and the east to be liberated by Ukraine, and Russia to go fuck themselves.
Russia is a bitch nation, unimportant to the world. Putin is threatening to take all of Europe even still. He's not going to get anything outside more humiliation. No one is going to allow Putins conquest to be successful.
Compromise will only encourage russia to invade again. It’s like thinking giving a bully lunch money will stop them from bullying you again.
stfu kremlin troll
It’s the geopolitical version of what we mere civilians call a ‘bitch move’.
There are so many current and ex world leaders that I can't wait to see their asses get kicked. With all the bullshit going around, we are hitting a limit.
[inserts pic of average Ukrainian]
I think it’s time to see what the free world’s espionage agencies can do.
Bastards!🤬🤬🤬🤬
What is preventing Ukraine from retaliating in the exact same fashion? I'm not a war buff or anything.
how do you want them to strike Russia when they haven't even taken their own country back.
Russia will blackmail them with energy in order to avoid any war reparations.
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Dear God put this Putin.down.
Terrorists
This news article is absolutely chilling.